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Old August 30 2012, 03:23 AM   #361
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Re: Avengers Vs. X-Men -- Speculation, Spoilers, and Discussion

Nope, not surprised at all given the general lack of coordination and inconsistency. Scott I don't think has addressed the Warren problem at all during any of this, you think he would, especially when he made his visit to the school.
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Old August 30 2012, 03:27 AM   #362
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If I recall correctly, Warren decided in one of the Wolverine and the X-Men tie-in issues that he was placing his trust in Bobby Drake, and thus went to war for the side Bobby chose. If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to look through the applicable issues and find the relevant exchange.
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Old August 30 2012, 03:53 AM   #363
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Oh yeah, why didn't God-clops cure Warren? And cure Rogue's uncontrolled power? And kill Kid Apocalypse?
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Old August 30 2012, 04:27 AM   #364
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Possibly because Scott doesn't know about Warren, or Evan. Regarding Warren...as of today's Wolverine and the X-Men #15, he is the school's first graduate, and yes he's still memory wiped. There are actually a lot of issues Scott hasn't addressed because he's been Phoenix corrupted Like the biggest one of all...restarting the mutant race maybe!
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Old August 30 2012, 04:48 AM   #365
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Oh yeah, why didn't God-clops cure Warren? And cure Rogue's uncontrolled power? And kill Kid Apocalypse?
Rogue has control of her powers.
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Old August 30 2012, 05:05 AM   #366
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And has had control of them for a while now I believe. At least since prior to Schism.
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Old August 30 2012, 06:05 AM   #367
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Rogue has had control of her powers ever since she touched the infant Hope waaaaay back in "Messiah Complex".
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Old August 30 2012, 01:22 PM   #368
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Okay, my memory was off on the Angel situation.

At the end of Wolverine and the X-Men #10, after Scott, Emma, and Magik have visited the Jean Grey School so that Scott could speak to Wolverine and attempt to recruit other X-Men to his side, Bobby and Rachel decided to leave the school. Angel decided to leave with them.

WatXM #10 wrote:
Angel: I'm coming with you.

Bobby: Warren... I mean, Angel... I don't think that's such a good idea.

Angel: I'm older than you, Robert Drake, also known as Iceman. I know that for a fact because I just looked it up. I also know that I am not a real angel. Angels don't lie. And I just did, to a friend of mine.* If I really am just a mutant, like everyone else here, I want to do my part. Somewhere out there, other mutants are in trouble. What say we go help them?

Angel: Can you just explain to me on the way who it is we are fighting?
(* This lie was to Kid Apocalypse, who had asked Angel what he sees when he looks at him. The art shows an older version of Kid, who looks nearly identical to Apocalypse himself. Angel, however, says that he sees "only goodness" in Kid Apocalypse.)
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Old August 30 2012, 06:28 PM   #369
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Oh yeah, have they addressed whether the Phoenix Five have tried to recreate mutancy or not???? That should be their first priority!!!
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Old August 30 2012, 06:50 PM   #370
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No they have not. Which has been my biggest problem with the series so far, and part of the absolute power corrupts absolutely theme they've been exploring. They've been rebuilding the world and enforcing peace while searching for Hope...whom of course is the key to Scott's plan of restoring the mutant species. So while they've been trying...they've been distracted by other agendas as well.
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Old August 30 2012, 06:59 PM   #371
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Even though it's been quite inconsinsent, I still enjoy the general idea of the event. And there are issues that really stand out in quality. Unfortunately that quality can't carry over from issue to issue.

Still, I'm glad it was an event I got to participate in, and next time I'll know to grab the tie-in issues and crosso-overs to.
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Old August 30 2012, 07:09 PM   #372
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Unfortunately there are about two issues off the top of my head that were really fantastic, and both those issues were written by Hickman. I find myself being as disappointed in this as I was with last year's Fear Itself which was just plain awful.
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Old August 30 2012, 09:21 PM   #373
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I agree these past couple of "major" storylines were really a mess. I mean Civil War was a mess too, but at least you had an underlying 'issue' but with AvsX and Fear Itself before it, there's just so much going on so quickly that it's just a real headache to follow along with.

I mean Heroic Age was supposedly a 'break' time -but I think it should have lasted longer. Or they really need to stop doing these year long cross over stories. Just do an event, have it last maybe 2-3 months and deal with it.
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I know I haven't been reading it, so I can't judge the actual quality, but when I heard it was 12 issues I was shocked. That just seems like a lot of issues to stretch out one storyline.
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Old September 1 2012, 11:53 AM   #375
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I've really liked AVSX and I think it was an interesting story that was an organic evolution of the past decade of stories. Fear Itself on the other hand was a completely waste of time, with a story that literally came out of nowhere.
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