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Old August 5 2012, 01:19 AM   #106
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Re: Janeway returning to Trek Lit?

A woman of principles.

Your persistence about removing the y chromosome from the breeding rites reminds me a couple lines from How I Met Your Mother last year...

Barney creeps into bed with lilly and Marshall, he cradles the pregnant former buffy star and says some thing like...

"Lilly I'm going to ask you question."

"No Barney, the answer is no, I don't care what the question is, it's no."

"If we were to make love right now, and if I was really, really, really good, would that turn into my baby inside you?"

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Old August 5 2012, 02:02 AM   #107
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I am not buying even one e-book of this novel until I find out if Janeway returns in it. I am not buying even one e-book of ANY Treklit until they bring Janeway back for GOOD. IF this turns out to be Pocket Books laughing at the BBKJ fans with this cover then I will be visiting every book store left in my half of the city (I think there are two) and moving all the Treklit into the Young Adult section and sticking New Jedi Order paperbacks in the gap where the Treklit was.
You realize, of course, that you may have just made some Twilight fans look sane by comparison...

Just sayin'...
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Old August 5 2012, 02:22 AM   #108
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Don't be silly Don, vampires aren't real.
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Old August 5 2012, 02:33 AM   #109
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Of course not. Vampires in Twilight are played by the Crest Man and his family. That's why they sparkle.

Honestly, that I even have to explain this...
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Old August 5 2012, 05:49 PM   #110
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There's Kathryn in that nebula.
Gosh... it looks like I'm gonna need another Trek T-shirt... we should form a company!

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Of course not. Vampires in Twilight are played by the Crest Man and his family. That's why they sparkle.

Honestly, that I even have to explain this...
Oh gawd.

I think I need to switch toothpaste brands now.




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I am not buying even one e-book of this novel until I find out if Janeway returns in it. I am not buying even one e-book of ANY Treklit until they bring Janeway back for GOOD. IF this turns out to be Pocket Books laughing at the BBKJ fans with this cover then I will be visiting every book store left in my half of the city (I think there are two) and moving all the Treklit into the Young Adult section and sticking New Jedi Order paperbacks in the gap where the Treklit was.
You realize, of course, that you may have just made some Twilight fans look sane by comparison...

Just sayin'...
You know what I find strange... that you are fixating upon the treklit/New Jedi passage of Teacake's post, and not the part where she's gestating Beyer's baby.

Just saying...

(Teacake, I think Beyer is going to be very HAPPY you are on the other side of the world if she DOES brink Janeway back. I wonder if restaining orders can be hemispheric in size? You know... must stay 12 timezones away. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TusE73gkEyQ

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Old August 5 2012, 10:56 PM   #111
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Just to be absolutely clear my offer was to gestate with no genetic material of my own. So you can see it is quite a reasonable offer.
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Old August 5 2012, 11:08 PM   #112
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IF this turns out to be Pocket Books laughing at the BBKJ fans with this cover
Yes. That's exactly what Pocket Books wants to do: laugh at Janeway fans. Because, it's not like they have anything better to do or anything.

then I will be visiting every book store left in my half of the city (I think there are two) and moving all the Treklit into the Young Adult section and sticking New Jedi Order paperbacks in the gap where the Treklit was.


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It is the over use of Death as a plot device that cheapens death, not the reseracterion on a loved character.
Over-use of death as a plot device can cheapen it, too -- I completely agree. If characters die all the time and stay dead, the audience is often left unable or unwilling to actually care about the characters and therefore about their deaths.

But resurrection cheapens death and cheapens drama, too. Star Trek over-uses resurrection by a lot, and only rarely has permanently killed a major character. That's why I'd much rather Janeway stay dead than be resurrected. Just like I'd rather Data stay dead. And just like, for that matter, I'd rather that


The single character in a book or movie is not the same thing as a central character in a television series that is built on the premice that these characters risk death but excape it.
Is the premise of Star Trek that characters risk death but escape it? I don't know that I agree that that is, or ought to be, the premise.

And if you read "Full Circle" you will find out that Janeway made no mistake going to the Borg Cube, but was forced to do so by an Admiral that probably was hoping she would die in the process. The Q didn't save Janeway from a simple death but rather from a murderer named Willem Batiste.
It's been a long time since I've read Full Circle, so I can't say I remember that part, but thanks for catching it. In which case, hey -- all the better. Janeway didn't die as a result of a mistake; her death is made all the more purely heroic then.
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Old August 5 2012, 11:48 PM   #113
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Going to a pair of book stores isn't so Cardie-worthy, really. Maybe I'm just peppered by too much exposure to diehard Mass Effect fans whose hatred of that series' endings have forced them to:

1. Literally defecate on their Collectors' Edition Mass Effect 3 cases, because anyone in their right minds ever wanted to see the photographic evidence they posted smugly thereafter;

2. Send death threats to series creator Casey Hudson using phrases like "gamer entitlement demands that we do this to prove our points", and then tell people who claim they went well beyond the bounds that we're the crazy ones, and the slaves to Electronic Arts;

3. Hijack web pages for the series' lead writer, Mac Walters, with vitriol unparalleled in the sphere of fandom-at-large, including such classy messages as, "I didn't bother researching if you have any children, but if you do, I hope they never talk to you ever again as punishment for your disgusting behavior.

And more.

Really, teacake is being quite civil about this, and hilarious as well -- she'd get a huge laugh from me if she posted evidence of her section-swapping silliness. This is how you send a message, with Star Wars Expanded Universe novels and forum funniness.
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Old August 6 2012, 02:34 AM   #114
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...exactly what message is it sending?
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Old August 6 2012, 03:21 AM   #115
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...exactly what message is it sending?
"I like to make life more difficult for overworked, minimum-wage book store clerks," apparently.
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Old August 6 2012, 03:40 AM   #116
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That's true, I hadn't really considered the bottom line figure. They have a lot to handle already.
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Old August 6 2012, 06:22 AM   #117
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...exactly what message is it sending?
"I like to make life more difficult for overworked, minimum-wage book store clerks," apparently.
This is what some people say about the Chik-Fil-A franchisees.
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Old August 6 2012, 07:08 AM   #118
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...exactly what message is it sending?
"I like to make life more difficult for overworked, minimum-wage book store clerks," apparently.
This is what some people say about the Chik-Fil-A franchisees.
Bad comparison. At least with Chick-Fil-A, they actually own the individual restaurants. By contrast, so far as I know, Simon & Schuster do not own any book stores of their own. It's literally messing with someone's store for something a completely different company did.

(And, no, harassing Chick-Fil-A workers isn't going to accomplish anything, either, except abuse people who are already by definition powerless -- no one works at a fast food restaurant if they can find a better job, and there's no way in hell the corporate office listens to or cares what their restaurant workers think. Someone angry at Chick-Fil-A would do a lot better to refuse to patronize the business and to organize petitions, not harass people who are just as powerless over Dan Cathy's disgusting heterosexism as they are.)
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Old August 6 2012, 07:12 AM   #119
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I know it's a terrible thing to have to take 3 New Jedi Order books out of the space the 3 Voyager books were supposed to be in and move them down a shelf. I feel bad for them, I really do.
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Old August 6 2012, 07:14 AM   #120
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I know it's a terrible thing to have to take 3 New Jedi Order books out of the space the 3 Voyager books were supposed to be in and move them down a shelf. I feel bad for them, I really do.
If they're selling better than the Voyager stuff, better visual location of the Jedi stuff would be better for the store.
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