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Old June 13 2012, 03:31 AM   #331
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer

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An interesting though just occurred to me: if Chakotay had lead the away team, and all the team members were male, would there be a Borg King if they were all assimilated?
No, just a Borg Drag Queen.


Answering the question in a little bit more earnest...

Both J.M. Dillard's Resistance and Christopher's own Greater than the Sum established that a Borg Queen is always created out of a female drone through the implementation of something called the Royal Protocol, transforming the female drone into a Queen capable of regulating and controlling the Collective.

It's unclear whether this is because of biological requirements or because of Borg cultural practices. However, the revelations in Star Trek: Destiny strongly imply...



Meanwhile, Greg Cox's Mirror Universe novel The Worst of Both Worlds (from 2007's Glass Empires anthology) establishes...


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Old June 13 2012, 03:38 AM   #332
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Both J.M. Dillard's Resistance and Christopher's own Greater than the Sum established that a Borg Queen is always created out of a female drone through the implementation of something called the Royal Protocol, transforming the female drone into a Queen capable of regulating and controlling the Collective.
Actually Resistance assumed that Borg drones were androgynous (in GTTS I interpreted this to mean the kind of scratch-grown incubated drones seen in TNG rather than the assimilated kind dominant in VGR) and a special "royal jelly" hormonal treatment was used to turn them female for Queenification (basilogenesis would be the technical term). I figured that was if they didn't have an assimilated female drone available. As for the Royal Protocol that imbued the drone with the Queen persona and abilities, that was established in Homecoming/The Farther Shore by Christie Golden.
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Old June 13 2012, 03:28 PM   #333
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer

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Yet, they were still sent back there anyways...
And it has worked out well, especially with Kristen M-F Beyer writing it.

It makes sense to go back, make sure the UFP's greatest enemy is indeed gone, scavange for technology and fulfill Starfleet's charter-explore.

It only makes sense for Voyager and her crew to go. Intrepids are uniquely suited for long-term exploration, Voyager is known in the DQ (though sometimes that is a bad thing), and its crew has prior experience.

Plus, now they have the ability to come home so they aren't stranded. With the Bog gone, the ship supported by a fleet (and fighters), and a means of regular relief the crew is in a much better state. I honestly think what Beyer has done is the best thing they could have done with the series.
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Old June 13 2012, 07:50 PM   #334
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Old June 13 2012, 07:52 PM   #335
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Old June 13 2012, 08:25 PM   #336
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Both J.M. Dillard's Resistance and Christopher's own Greater than the Sum established that a Borg Queen is always created out of a female drone through the implementation of something called the Royal Protocol, transforming the female drone into a Queen capable of regulating and controlling the Collective.
Actually Resistance assumed that Borg drones were androgynous (in GTTS I interpreted this to mean the kind of scratch-grown incubated drones seen in TNG rather than the assimilated kind dominant in VGR) and a special "royal jelly" hormonal treatment was used to turn them female for Queenification (basilogenesis would be the technical term). I figured that was if they didn't have an assimilated female drone available. As for the Royal Protocol that imbued the drone with the Queen persona and abilities, that was established in Homecoming/The Farther Shore by Christie Golden.
Ah, thanks for the clarifications!
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Old June 13 2012, 08:47 PM   #337
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer

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Yet, they were still sent back there anyways...
And it has worked out well, especially with Kristen M-F Beyer writing it.

It makes sense to go back, make sure the UFP's greatest enemy is indeed gone, scavange for technology and fulfill Starfleet's charter-explore.

It only makes sense for Voyager and her crew to go. Intrepids are uniquely suited for long-term exploration, Voyager is known in the DQ (though sometimes that is a bad thing), and its crew has prior experience.

Plus, now they have the ability to come home so they aren't stranded. With the Bog gone, the ship supported by a fleet (and fighters), and a means of regular relief the crew is in a much better state. I honestly think what Beyer has done is the best thing they could have done with the series.
Apologies if I came across badly with that phrase. I meant it in the sense that despite Janeway trying to not have her crew sent back and going on the mission, they still went anyways.

I do agree that Kirsten Beyer's novels have been fantastic and thoroughly enjoyable. It does make sense for them with all the experience that they had in the Delta Quadrant, much like Janeway's experience with the Borg made her a valuable asset to the Federation. It is much better that they have the ability to get back home in a reasonable amount of time as well as other ships to accompany them.

The Bog gone as well? Hmm, I hadn't realized that an intergalactic swamp was threatening the Federation.
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Old June 13 2012, 09:54 PM   #338
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer

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Cadets Icheb and Naomi Wildman?

Sorry if this question has already been tackled*, but: Is it known whether Icheb and Naomi Wildman will get a mention/scene in The Eternal Tide?

With Icheb's entry in 2378, he is about to graduate in 2382 and in Full Circle The Doctor tells Seven that Naomi enters the Academy in 2382.

I'd love to see them grow up and become Starfleet crewmembers of Voyager. It would be fitting and bring them... full circle.

* I used the search thread/forum function to ascertain it wasn't mentioned already.
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Old June 21 2012, 11:51 AM   #340
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Sorry if this question has already been tackled*, but: Is it known whether Icheb and Naomi Wildman will get a mention/scene in The Eternal Tide?

With Icheb's entry in 2378, he is about to graduate in 2382 and in Full Circle The Doctor tells Seven that Naomi enters the Academy in 2382.

I'd love to see them grow up and become Starfleet crewmembers of Voyager. It would be fitting and bring them... full circle.

* I used the search thread/forum function to ascertain it wasn't mentioned already.
I suppose it would be fun to have them there, but it would be a bit odd for Starfleet to assign a junior officer, straight out of the Academy, to a high profile mission like that.
I know people will say that Harry Kim was made a senior officer straight out of the Academy (kinda bugs me anyway) but Voyager's first mission was to be three weeks long, chasing down a Maquis ship. Not a big profile assignment really.

And I doubt that Starfleet, with so many new cadets each year, would feel sentimentel and assign Icheb to Voyager/Full Circle. Especially considering the logistics involved into getting him there. Sure, QSD is pretty fast, but also still experimental technology. I doubt they would send a ship out there to deliver one ensign.
And it's made clear that Full Circle is a long term mission, meaning long term assignment. They don't rotate personal every few months for something like that. You sign on for the full three years.

What I'm curious about, is Barclay. He was transported back from the DQ in the novel IFM. And I'll miss him sorely in the new Voyager novels.
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Old June 21 2012, 12:07 PM   #341
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What I'm curious about, is Barclay. He was transported back from the DQ in the novel IFM. And I'll miss him sorely in the new Voyager novels.
Just depends on when it's set I guess. More then a bit either side of IFM and there's no problem with him being there.
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Re: Cadets Icheb and Naomi Wildman?

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And I doubt that Starfleet, with so many new cadets each year, would feel sentimentel and assign Icheb to Voyager/Full Circle. Especially considering the logistics involved into getting him there. Sure, QSD is pretty fast, but also still experimental technology. I doubt they would send a ship out there to deliver one ensign.
And it's made clear that Full Circle is a long term mission, meaning long term assignment. They don't rotate personal every few months for something like that. You sign on for the full three years.
But Icheb has 'some' experience with the Borg, and finding Borg traces is what Voyager / Full Circle is supposed to be doing...
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And it's made clear that Full Circle is a long term mission, meaning long term assignment. They don't rotate personal every few months for something like that. You sign on for the full three years.
People have died, and I bet Starfleet would see the benefit in replacing a deceased crewmember on Voyager with a new cadet who has Borg knowledge and experience, since searching for Borg remnants is a large part of Voyager's mission. It's not sentimentality, it's practicality.
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What I'm curious about, is Barclay. He was transported back from the DQ in the novel IFM. And I'll miss him sorely in the new Voyager novels.
Indistinguishable from Magic is set in early 2383, but the VGR novels are still only up to the summer of 2381 so far.
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What I'm curious about, is Barclay. He was transported back from the DQ in the novel IFM. And I'll miss him sorely in the new Voyager novels.
Indistinguishable from Magic is set in early 2383, but the VGR novels are still only up to the summer of 2381 so far.

Good, that means more Barclay for a while.

And yes, although I agree that Icheb has some knowledge of the Borg, there's already someone on the fleet with far more knowledge and experience: Seven of Nine. So again, why would Starfleet use resources like QSD on one freshly baked ensign.

The only reason I see it working, is if Starfleet decides to send a new ship to actually join the fleet, since the Planck was destroyed.
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