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Old January 30 2012, 11:07 PM   #1
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Voyager's amazing shuttlebay

I was watching the episode Alice and I'm having a hard time suspending disbelief. At the beginning of the episode Janeway states they have a full complement of shuttles which for an intrepid class would be 4. That would mean that in addition to those they would have Neelix's ship PLUS the Delta Flyer PLUS Alice for a total of 7 ships! When did they pick up the 31st century space bending technology from Enterprise's Future Tense?
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Old January 31 2012, 12:18 AM   #2
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They use time lord technology onboard federation ships.
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Old January 31 2012, 12:19 AM   #3
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Old January 31 2012, 12:30 AM   #4
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I was watching the episode Alice and I'm having a hard time suspending disbelief.
Try harder.
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At the beginning of the episode Janeway states they have a full complement of shuttles which for an intrepid class would be 4.
Says who?
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That would mean that in addition to those they would have Neelix's ship PLUS the Delta Flyer PLUS Alice for a total of 7 ships! When did they pick up the 31st century space bending technology from Enterprise's Future Tense?
Anyway, lets say there's a hanger deck below the main shuttlebay to store more ships.
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Old January 31 2012, 10:37 AM   #5
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Packing in two dozen of those van-sized shuttles would be no problem as such. Building new ones shouldn't be difficult, either.

The real problem is a bit bigger. Size does matter:

http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...3/drive112.jpg

The above is what they were able to have in there, in addition to all the usual shuttles and Neelix' ship.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File..._Homestead.jpg

This presents problems with

1) sheer parking space (the volume in the above picture is already greater than would actually fit inside the ship)
2) moving the things around (assuming not all volumes have the above TARDIS quality to them)
3) getting the things through the doorway (none of these bigger-than-shuttle craft should be able to fit through the aft doors)

The Delta Flyer seems to shrink in order to fit through the aft door. Perhaps that's how all of these big craft clear all the three hurdles?

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Old January 31 2012, 11:12 AM   #6
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Well it could always be that other bit of tech, plot tech, which can reconfigure the ship to serve the need of the plot.
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Old January 31 2012, 11:22 AM   #7
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The Delta Flyer's magic too. When we first see it, the rear of the cockpit leads to outside the ship. Then, later, it leads to a rear compartment that doesn't fit. THEN, in "Collective", we see that there's a freaking Jefferies tube leading out from the side of that rear compartment!
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Old January 31 2012, 11:49 AM   #8
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Voyager may come with 4 shuttles, but that's not to say that it can't come wit more shuttle berths. there are missions that may require a larger mission specific number of shuttles, and during rescue/relief operations and there are hundreds of escape pods and dozens of shuttle crafts running from an exploding star ship, well it just makes sense that a ship sent to rescue such flotsam would need somewhere comfortable to put all that extra hardware and those survivors.

I mean it's not like Thunderbird two always has Thunder Bird Four in it's belly?
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Old January 31 2012, 11:56 AM   #9
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It's not all that bad. At a certain, fairly realistic size, all the sets would fit inside the spaceframe. It's just that this realistic size would be a couple of meters too wide and tall to clear the shuttlebay door...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...delta-size.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...-floorplan.gif

The tube in the starboard wall of the aft compartment need not actually go anywhere; all we see in "Good Shepherd" is that the tube extends from the wall - but it might telescope rather than simply slide out. As for the crawlways, those can go into the space beneath the middle alcoves - much like the runabout "Jeffries tube" from "Blaze of Glory" could run along the amidship corridors but overhead or underfloor.

The lack of any sort of an entry/exit door in the aft compartment is my main gripe with this design...

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Old January 31 2012, 12:45 PM   #10
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Timo posts a lot of forbidden and blocked links. I would have expected better.

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Old January 31 2012, 01:21 PM   #11
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While a bit of a tight squeeze, I think the Delta flyer could fit through the shuttlebay doors without scratching the paintwork.
As for that other ship in "Drive" however, it would have to fly out sideways!

Or are there hatchways on the underbelly of Voyager that would allow a "drop-ship" sort of agress?
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Old January 31 2012, 01:23 PM   #12
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Timo posts a lot of forbidden and blocked links. I would have expected better.
Cut and paste, my darling maggot brain you, cut and paste. That's the way them interwebs work.

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Old January 31 2012, 01:36 PM   #13
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Timo posts a lot of forbidden and blocked links. I would have expected better.
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Use the signature option rather than type it each time, my darling little maggot brain you, the signature option. That's the way them interweb forums work...
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Old January 31 2012, 01:42 PM   #14
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Why? It's not as if you would do it, either, retard dear.

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Old January 31 2012, 01:44 PM   #15
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Why? It's not as if you would do it, either, retard dear.

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