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Old March 21 2012, 08:23 AM   #76
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Maybe we could petition a billionaire to buy the Enterprise. Put her on display. And build a full-scale replica of the TOS Enterprise and park it right next to the carrier. Kind of like the construction scene from the last movie.
Hmmm. Mark Cuban lives a couple of miles from me.
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Old March 21 2012, 12:35 PM   #77
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The full scale Enterprise is actually kind of a cool idea. The problem would be the structure and of course the sheer size, it would cost almost as much as building an actual space ship.

Also, you would have to ask yourself what you would fill it with - most of the ship would be repeated corridors, crew quarters, and big rooms full of nothing as the technology doesn't exist yet.

Now, an Enterprise theme park constructed so once you are inside it you feel like you are aboard could be fun and practical. Sadly it is unlikely given current demand.

As for CVN-65, removing all her Nuclear material is the problem, apparently they literally have to cut a huge hole in the side to remove her eight reactors to then (presumably) bury them. I suppose they could be sealed off within the ship to allow her to be preserved, but it would make her a massive security and environmental hazard.
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Old March 21 2012, 02:57 PM   #78
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I read when the proposal to make the CVN-65 a museum ship or a memoral came up that the issue of removing all the nuclear related and adjacent areas would make it effectively impossible. The ship has 8 nuclear reactors (7 working) as opposed to only two on the Nimitz class and has been in operation for half a century.

Virtually the entire middle third of the ship is going to have to be cut out and buried. I did hear serious suggestions that the island though might be saved. Which is more than most ships.
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Old March 22 2012, 10:58 PM   #79
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Maybe they could hard dock the ship by drydocking it and pouring concrete around the hull. Then they could fill the offending spaces with concrete to seal the radiation hazard in. If they can preserve the world's first nuclear-powered submarine, the USS Nautilus. Which is displayed pierside in the water. Then they could save the first nuclear-powered carrier. If the real reason is the bad economy, then mothball her until times are better.
As for a full-scale Enterprise mockup. I hear that the King of Jordan; huge ST fan; is building a Star Trek theme park somewhere in Jordan. We could have the annual Beale-Lokai marathon. Dress in black and white, start on the bridge and run every inch of corridor. Finish line is the fantail. Using all of those hidden ladders and gangways.
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Old March 23 2012, 01:14 AM   #80
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Maybe they could hard dock the ship by drydocking it and pouring concrete around the hull. Then they could fill the offending spaces with concrete to seal the radiation hazard in.
I'm not sure what you mean. If the reactors are removed first, sealing the ship in concrete won't save much expense. If the reactors are left in... That would make the former warship a nuclear waste disposal site. Removing the reactors and rebuilding her as a museum would be cheap by comparison.

If they can preserve the world's first nuclear-powered submarine, the USS Nautilus. Which is displayed pierside in the water. Then they could save the first nuclear-powered carrier. If the real reason is the bad economy, then mothball her until times are better.
Nautilus is about one-thirtieth the size of Enterprise and had a single reactor. And the longer the ship is mothballed, the more expensive to restore.



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Old March 23 2012, 01:32 AM   #81
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Maybe they could hard dock the ship by drydocking it and pouring concrete around the hull. Then they could fill the offending spaces with concrete to seal the radiation hazard in.
I'm not sure what you mean. If the reactors are removed first, sealing the ship in concrete won't save much expense. If the reactors are left in... That would make the former warship a nuclear waste disposal site. Removing the reactors and rebuilding her as a museum would be cheap by comparison.

If they can preserve the world's first nuclear-powered submarine, the USS Nautilus. Which is displayed pierside in the water. Then they could save the first nuclear-powered carrier. If the real reason is the bad economy, then mothball her until times are better.
Nautilus is about one-thirtieth the size of Enterprise and had a single reactor. And the longer the ship is mothballed, the more expensive to restore.



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Nautilus wasn't in service for 50 years either.

It isn't just the reactors. It is all the engine related machinery that has been in close proximity to the reactors for decades and has itself become irradiated.

And it isn't like the U.S. or anyone else has any experience with mothballing or preserving a nuclear powered warship even remotely the size of the Enterprise.
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Old March 23 2012, 06:33 PM   #82
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Too bad there is so much contamination from the reactors. It would be awesome to see the ship become a museum. Do the sailors who worked in those areas suffer from major health problems?
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Old March 23 2012, 08:00 PM   #83
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Too bad there is so much contamination from the reactors. It would be awesome to see the ship become a museum. Do the sailors who worked in those areas suffer from major health problems?
If I recall correctly, standard operating procedure is for U.S. sailors who work aboard a nuclear powered vessel in close proximity to the reactors wear radiation detection devices that monitor their daily total exposure to radiation. The readings are turned into the ships medical staff daily and if their exposure exceeds a certain level, they are reassigned. Some may be reassigned only for a certain period such as a week or a month, while if a sailor gets near a lifetime dosage of allowed radiation exposure he/she may be reassigned permanently.

It isn't like the old Soviet Navy that had basically a "fry till you die" mentality.
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Old March 24 2012, 11:27 PM   #84
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Thanks for the info Knight. It is very unerving to think about. I would hope they get extra pay for this health hazard?
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Old March 25 2012, 12:54 AM   #85
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Thanks for the info Knight. It is very unerving to think about. I would hope they get extra pay for this health hazard?
I don't remember if they get hazardous duty pay or not. Note that ALL people that serve aboard U.S. submarines have to specifically volunteer for the assignment. They don't force anyone.

Don't think that has been true aboard nuclear powered aircraft carriers and the nine nuclear powered cruisers the U.S. used to have deployed.
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