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| Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum! |
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Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
I still have issues with the fact that the film feels not so smoothly cut and editted, and the obviousness to the viewers that the scale of this Borg epic was shot on a modest studio budget...but, you have to admit that it's a really fun, feel-good action film that pretty much paved the way for the J.J. Abrams film in terms of that particular cinematic feel that you put into Trek that pulls in a massive worldwide audience at the box-office. To tell you the truth, nowadays I would probably use the above review to either refer to Insurrection or Nemesis. I was in that whole "You have to shoot it like Stanley Kubrick, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, and James Cameron" mode of thinking back in my 20's, but as of now in my 30's I judge a film's merits particularly on how it ultimately makes me feel. Not all films have to cater to the "thinking man" to be considered the cream of the crop. Heck, before Alfred Hitchcock passed away his 2 favorite films in recent years were Smokey and the Bandit and Benji. Director Jonathan Frakes proudly earned his 3-stars for this one!
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
Just watched it along with First Contact yesterday.
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
FC is as exactly as I remember it when it came out - popcorn flick. Too rushed at the beginning, and wrapped up too nice and neatly and quickly at the end. TUC - It's still a fine Trek flick. The attempts at humor with the supporting cast falls flat for me now. Doohan, Nichols and Koenig's acting just comes off painfully bad.
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
TUC is still considered my favorite of the 11 Star Trek films, eventhough my opinion on it wavers now and then (Considering I reside in South Korea and have the real potential threat of North Korea up north kind of diminishes that...); but me thinking it is the greatest thing since sliced bread is long gone. However, it is still a fine, solid film with rich dialogue that is rarely ever heard in today's CGI/action-packed cinema. Last edited by AFEK ESLCAFE W; December 23 2011 at 04:14 AM. |
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
I won't mention the door that reveals them slides UP through the conduits in the ceiling. ;-) Even if Cinefantastic didn't blow the reveal before the film opened, it wasn't hard to figure out the traitor: Velaris was the only new main character on the ship. Also, some of the humor was "meh," some of it felt like it should have been ion Trek 5. Everyone laughs at the Kirk/Martia-Kirk "must have been your lifelong ambition" joke, but it's really meta humor. It points up Shatner's ego, not Kirks (tell me when did Kirk demonstrated loving himself so much), so as far as the characters go, it makes no sense. It's also badly acted by Shatner who uses every facial muscle to make the joke land. It's out of place and looks like a late entry into the scene. It certainly works well without it. Good character humor is funny (most everything from Spock), but the gags in Trek really were wearing thin. It was a far cry from the seriousness and maturity of the first 3 movies. And Nick Meyer's staging of his extras is distracting. He overloads the bridges of both ships with people wandering around doing nothing. In the beginning, it looks like the Excelsior's bridge is The Place to Hang Out. There are so many now they all wear name tags. The clothing search is hilarious in its busy-ness. When the door opened and the guy with the Space Divining Rod walks in with goggles saying "coming through!" the audience laughed. Every time. But even with that stuff, it's a fun flick and it moves fairly quickly. I just wish they spent more time on Kirk and Bones on Rura Penthe and less on the Scooby Doo crap. I admit, it's nitpickery form a person who has seen the movie a few times too many, but that's what Trekkies do. :-)
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
If the fans were solemn it was only because Picard had just taken them with him through an emotional wringer. Now the audience coming out of ST V? Some of them were hysterical, almost paralytic with laughter. In disbelief. Then we noticed that teaser poster on the wall: the one with the cinema seat fitted with a seatbelt. And the hysteria was maintained. The seatbelt was to stop people leaving early!
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
The watercooler discussion in regards to FC back then (in the states where I lived) was that it was a good film, but it still felt staged like a 2-part episode just like Generations. |
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
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Re: Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?
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Then we noticed that teaser poster on the wall: the one with the cinema seat fitted with a seatbelt. And the hysteria was maintained. The seatbelt was to stop people leaving early!




