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Old February 27 2012, 06:30 PM   #1
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Aliens disability

Hi guys,

I'm profoundly deaf all my life. I like to know what alien species who sign language or disability.

I wonder what gonna happen to Alien species who is deaf or disability or sign language different than human in 24th century?

Any comment.

Thank you,
Martyn
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Old February 27 2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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Re: Aliens disability

Well in "Loud as a Whisper" sign language was still a recognised method of communication with the deaf. The deaf gentleman in that episode also had a telepathic "chorus" who spoke and heard for him...
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Old February 27 2012, 08:19 PM   #3
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i think that they've eliminated deafness from humans - and probably most species - by the 24th century, with genetic therapies.
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Old February 27 2012, 08:46 PM   #4
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There have been quite a few "disabled" characters in Trek through the years, but you'll very rarely see a character actually struggling with their disability. From Miranda Jones' sensor web garments in TOS' "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" to TNG's Geordi LaForge's VISOR, there is just about always some futuristic doohickey to give them normal (and, in many cases, much better than normal) abilities.

And even in cases where the disability is, in fact, disabling - such as Christopher Pike in TOS' "The Menagerie" or Tam Elbrun in TNG's "Tin Man" - there is usually a solution at the end of the episode which makes everything all better.
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Old February 27 2012, 08:46 PM   #5
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Hi guys,

I'm profoundly deaf all my life. I like to know what alien species who sign language or disability.

I wonder what gonna happen to Alien species who is deaf or disability or sign language different than human in 24th century?

Any comment.

Thank you,
Martyn
You're very welcome here, Martyn. Thank you for sharing this. I'm sure we would all like to know more about the challenges you have faced.

One of the things I like best about "Star Trek" in all of its forms is the extraordinary efforts our heroes make to communicate well. In TNG, we see this in "Darmok" and "The Big Goodbye." In STIV, Spock even mindmelds with a whale to better communicate! Surely the same consideration is shown to all intelligent species.

I'm bothered that you say you have a disability. I think I may very safely speak on behalf of the late Gene Roddenberry and say that, in the era of "Star Trek," there is no "disability" whatsoever; that is, no one would view deafness as such. Instead, there is celebration of all the ways in which we are different. Your unique gifts and abilities would be recognized, Martyn.

Remember that Geordi performed superbly, though he would be judged blind today. In fact, he was often portrayed as far more sensitive, and therefore more "far-seeing," than many of his shipmates.
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Old February 27 2012, 09:11 PM   #6
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I'm bothered that you say you have a disability. I think I may very safely speak on behalf of the late Gene Roddenberry and say that, in the era of "Star Trek," there is no "disability" whatsoever; that is, no one would view deafness as such. Instead, there is celebration of all the ways in which we are different. Your unique gifts and abilities would be recognized, Martyn.
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You know, it's not a crime to recognize that someone has a disability. The problem is that you seem to equate the use of the word "disabled" with "useless". It's not. PC run amuck.
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Old February 27 2012, 11:43 PM   #7
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I'm bothered that you say you have a disability. I think I may very safely speak on behalf of the late Gene Roddenberry and say that, in the era of "Star Trek," there is no "disability" whatsoever; that is, no one would view deafness as such. Instead, there is celebration of all the ways in which we are different. Your unique gifts and abilities would be recognized, Martyn.
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You know, it's not a crime to recognize that someone has a disability. The problem is that you seem to equate the use of the word "disabled" with "useless". It's not. PC run amuck.
Well said, Sojourner. I usually flinch when I see phrases like "PC run amuck", but in this case I'm with you 100 percent. And, btw, I have a disability.
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Old February 28 2012, 12:34 AM   #8
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I'm bothered that you say you have a disability. I think I may very safely speak on behalf of the late Gene Roddenberry and say that, in the era of "Star Trek," there is no "disability" whatsoever; that is, no one would view deafness as such. Instead, there is celebration of all the ways in which we are different. Your unique gifts and abilities would be recognized, Martyn.
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You know, it's not a crime to recognize that someone has a disability. The problem is that you seem to equate the use of the word "disabled" with "useless". It's not. PC run amuck.
Agreed, and this is coming from a man who had survived Cerebral palsy his whole life.

That said, I was dissapointed when I heard that Melora Pazlar was originally planned as a regular character for DS9 but they decided it would cost too much to show her "flying" in zero gravity all the time. While the reasons for it are different, her situation and mine are the same. I too only need a wheelchair part time because of the CP which causes me to tire easily.

When I first heard of that character, I thought "Finally! somebody like me in Star Trek!" but sadly, it only happened once.

Of course, her depiction of being annoyed with people who try to help her was annoying. AND stereotypical. I don't get annoyed when people try to help me (like hold doors open and stuff), after all, they're just trying to be nice. Do I need their help? No. At least, not all the time, but I always accept it graciously (and gratefully), because, as I said, they're only trying to be helpful
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Old February 28 2012, 01:14 AM   #9
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Yep, I was injured about 4 years ago and use a cane and wear a brace on one leg. I have no problem with people being helpful. I do get annoyed by people that "dote" on me though. It's freakin' leg injury, not brain damage.
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Old February 28 2012, 02:59 AM   #10
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You know, it's not a crime to recognize that someone has a disability. The problem is that you seem to equate the use of the word "disabled" with "useless". It's not. PC run amuck.
I "seem to"?

I never said any such thing. I was trying to offer a supportive response to a fellow board member. In fact, I said quite the opposite. Don't try to read my mind. I've worked with paraplegics who are mentally retarded (the new PC term is "developmentally delayed). Have you?

I do not judge. Please do not judge me.
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Old February 28 2012, 03:12 AM   #11
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I was trying to offer a supportive response to a fellow board member. In fact, I said quite the opposite.
'nuff said.
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Old February 28 2012, 03:25 AM   #12
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I meant that I said quite the opposite of what you accuse me of Sojourner.
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Old February 28 2012, 03:33 AM   #13
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^Yet by making a speech about how everyone is a special little star, unique in the universe, you are singling him out. Why not just treat him like the normal person he is? He didn't need you to reaffirm him about his disability. You would have been better off to just answer the question and not bring attention.
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Old February 28 2012, 03:48 AM   #14
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I'm bothered that you say you have a disability. I think I may very safely speak on behalf of the late Gene Roddenberry and say that, in the era of "Star Trek," there is no "disability" whatsoever; that is, no one would view deafness as such. Instead, there is celebration of all the ways in which we are different. Your unique gifts and abilities would be recognized, Martyn.
And I'm EXTREMELY bothered by your response to the OP saying he has a disability. Do you realize how disgustingly condescending you are being? The OP knows he has a disability, try to refrain from spouting over sentimental garbage in an unasked for attempt to make him "feel better" when he has shown no evidence that he is in anyway feeling down about being deaf.
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Old February 28 2012, 03:52 AM   #15
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^Yet by making a speech about how everyone is a special little star, unique in the universe, you are singling him out. Why not just treat him like the normal person he is? He didn't need you to reaffirm him about his disability. You would have been better off to just answer the question and not bring attention.
Martyn is absolutely unique in the universe. So are you. So am I.

"Not bring attention"? To what? To Martyn's deafness? That is something to hide or be ashamed of?

Perhaps you should let Martyn speak for his or her self, and about his or her needs in posting here. I don't appreciate your quoting me out of context or trying to read my mind, and I similarly doubt that Martyn will appreciate your efforts.

This is a silly spat between people who agree on 99.9 percent of everything. Let's end it now. Friends?

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