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Old February 13 2014, 03:59 PM   #376
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What about the Robocop theme? I've seen in some reviews that the original theme pops up here and there, but I'm curious if it's just a brief homage, or if it's actually the main theme for Robo like in the original movie.
It pops up twice, once over the title card and again about halfway through the movie or so. It's only a partial quote of Poledouris' march, as well, not the full thing:

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Old February 13 2014, 05:07 PM   #377
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There are a couple of variations of lines in the original, such as

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Old February 13 2014, 06:05 PM   #378
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Does Robo say "Dead or alive...you're coming with me"?
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Old February 13 2014, 06:06 PM   #379
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Does Robo say "Dead or alive...you're coming with me"?
He says it in every trailer and tv spot there is, so I'm going to say yes.
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Old February 15 2014, 08:16 AM   #380
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Saw the movie tonight, and have to agree with most of the critics. It started out really well, with a surprisingly powerful and disturbing scene in Tehran. But then the main story starts and it just becomes less interesting and more plodding as it goes along.

Kinnaman is a complete stiff, the action (what little there is of it) is dull and lifeless, and there are no truly hissable villains to speak of at all (just an opportunistic CEO and a generic crime boss who makes no impression at all). In fact the Detroit in this movie is so seemingly calm and peaceful you never get the sense that a Robocop is even truly necessary.

The original movie had you rooting for Murphy all the way, and really wanting you to see him get revenge and kick some ass as Robocop. But this one never comes close to making you feel that. There's no scene in this that's half as powerful as the one in the original where Murphy flashes back to his old life while walking through his home, or when his fellow cops turn on him in the parking garage. In fact looking back on it, I can't think of even one truly exciting or memorable action sequence in this movie involving the character at all.

I give the movie points for trying to explore the themes of the original in a deeper way, and for trying to be more than just a dumb, Michael Bay-style action movie. But ultimately it all amounts to not that much, and I just couldn't care about any of it.

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Old February 15 2014, 03:02 PM   #381
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^ Everything is about characters for me, and I'd agree that apart from Alex Murphy and maybe the Gary Oldman doctor, I couldn't have cared less about any one else in the movie.
The "villain" (not Keaton, the actual villain) was such a non-existent character, the "token-black-friend" etc
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Old February 15 2014, 04:34 PM   #382
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The original movie had you rooting for Murphy all the way, and really wanting you to see him get revenge and kick some ass as Robocop. But this one never comes close to making you feel that. garage. In fact looking back on it, I can't think of even one truly exciting or memorable action sequence in this movie involving the character at all.
I agree. The jump in the air moment for me is when Murphy says "I'm not arresting you anymore" to Clarence. Combine that with the amazing theme in the background and you have a classic

The problem people are having a REALLY hard time with is separating the old movie and new movie. They can't see pass the nostalgia glasses.

They have to see the new movie as its own thing.
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Old February 15 2014, 05:04 PM   #383
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The original movie had you rooting for Murphy all the way, and really wanting you to see him get revenge and kick some ass as Robocop. But this one never comes close to making you feel that. garage. In fact looking back on it, I can't think of even one truly exciting or memorable action sequence in this movie involving the character at all.
I agree. The jump in the air moment for me is when Murphy says "I'm not arresting you anymore" to Clarence. Combine that with the amazing theme in the background and you have a classic

The problem people are having a REALLY hard time with is separating the old movie and new movie. They can't see pass the nostalgia glasses.

They have to see the new movie as its own thing.
Then there never should have been a remake. Somebody should have created an entirely different movie. Robocop, the original, was not just an action movie. It was a social commentary and a satire. It had genuinely funny moments amidst the violence and was as much a parody of action movies as it was a part of the genre.

I am not criticizing the new movie as I have yet to see it, but in general I am wary of all remakes that ask to be judged as separate entities.
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Old February 15 2014, 05:13 PM   #384
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The original movie had you rooting for Murphy all the way, and really wanting you to see him get revenge and kick some ass as Robocop. But this one never comes close to making you feel that. garage. In fact looking back on it, I can't think of even one truly exciting or memorable action sequence in this movie involving the character at all.
I agree. The jump in the air moment for me is when Murphy says "I'm not arresting you anymore" to Clarence. Combine that with the amazing theme in the background and you have a classic

The problem people are having a REALLY hard time with is separating the old movie and new movie. They can't see pass the nostalgia glasses.

They have to see the new movie as its own thing.
Then there never should have been a remake. Somebody should have created an entirely different movie. Robocop, the original, was not just an action movie. It was a social commentary and a satire. It had genuinely funny moments amidst the violence and was as much a parody of action movies as it was a part of the genre.

I am not criticizing the new movie as I have yet to see it, but in general I am wary of all remakes that ask to be judged as separate entities.
Every film, television show or any work of art should be judged on its own merits. It's pointless to criticize a film, for example, for being something it isn't. Criticize it for what it is.
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Old February 15 2014, 06:43 PM   #385
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Oh please. We're not in art history class here or anything. We're talking about a remake of freakin Robocop. It would be impossible for anyone to watch this movie and NOT be reminded at every step of the original, or find themselves mentally comparing it with the original (especially when every change the movie makes is about a thousand times less powerful and effective than what was done before).

Frankly if it wasn't for the warm memories it stirred up while I was watching it, I probably would have found this remake even MORE forgettable. It's just as generic as can be, and has no real personality of it's own.
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Old February 15 2014, 08:44 PM   #386
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Oh please. We're not in art history class here or anything. We're talking about a remake of freakin Robocop.
In the most simplistic terms, different interpretations of something make us who we are.

If everything was the same we'd have no uniqueness.

Imagine if Robocop 2014 was a shot by shot/line by line carbon copy. Where's the creativity?

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Old February 15 2014, 09:32 PM   #387
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Oh please. We're not in art history class here or anything. We're talking about a remake of freakin Robocop.
In the most simplistic terms, different interpretations of something make us who we are.

If everything was the same we'd have no uniqueness.

Imagine if Robocop 2014 was a shot by shot/line by line carbon copy. Where's the creativity?
We'd have the diasterous remake of Psycho


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True but there are still fundamentals of both franchises that you don't change.

In the case of the original Robocop at least the one of those elements was the satire and political commentary (which if not carried into the two sequels lived on in Robocop the Series)

From my reading of reviews it seems this element has been overlooked big time and it's being missed. It's like Bond without the booze, sex and violence or Batman without the cape and cowl.
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Old February 15 2014, 09:43 PM   #388
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RoboCop 2 didn't drop the satire completely. The news broadcasts, as I recall, were still an important element of the movie.
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Old February 15 2014, 09:59 PM   #389
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If anything Robocop 2 cranked up the satire.
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Old February 15 2014, 11:45 PM   #390
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I'd buy that for a dollar.

I loved the original but I really enjoyed watching this one yesterday. What I liked about it was that it kept his family in, instead of them disappearing and moving away. They gave him a motorcycle instead of a Ford Tempo/Taurus and Samuel L. Jackson.
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