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Old March 25 2012, 08:14 PM   #1
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Do Other Science Fiction Franchises Exist Within the Trek Universe?

In the Star Trek world, do people flock to see movies (ok holodramas) about "Bolos vs. Berserkers"?

Do they debate which version of Babylon Five, Battletech, Battlestar Galactica, Blake's 7 (hey four Bs) or Space: Above & Beyond was best?

What about alternate history? This seems like a lively genre for potential in the Trek universe given their knowledge already of time travel and alternate universes.

And do the conspiracy theories of a modern version of "The X-Files" still spark watercooler (ok replicator slot) conversation?

We shouldn't take our not seeing them in the Trek episodes and movies to indicate anything definitive. After all, I've heard that active duty military personnel today do not normally spend a lot of time watching war movies.
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Old March 25 2012, 08:30 PM   #2
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I don't think we've seen much of regular civilian life in Trek's brave new world. It's been suggested that World War Three did away with TV and movies and there was never really a resurgence as society had been rethought somewhat. Maybe they go to see plays a lot; Shakespeare is alluded to quite a lot in Trek.
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Old March 25 2012, 08:42 PM   #3
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For some reason, it makes me feel good to think that science fiction franchises continue to exist in the Trek universe. Perhaps in novels at least.
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Old March 25 2012, 08:54 PM   #4
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Captain Proton?
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Old March 25 2012, 09:14 PM   #5
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Don't see why they wouldn't, since other forms of entertainment do.
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Old March 25 2012, 09:52 PM   #6
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It would have been odd for the Galactica to make one last desperate jump and find itself at the border of Federation space.

Scene: Bridge of Federation ship which has just detected the RTF using long range scanners.

Science Officer: Curious, they're traveling using a discontinuous warp field guided by probability plots. Dangerous way to travel.

XO: Yes, and the big ship is armed with... ...missiles. These things should be in a museum

Off Screen: They're being pursued. Pursuers are firing.They don't stand a chance.

XO: Do we intervene?

Captain: No. Until a culture has developed FTL flight via the continuous warp field we cannot interfere with their development in any way. Stay out of their sensor range and record what follows. There should be some nice explosions to watch later.

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Old March 25 2012, 09:58 PM   #7
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In my novel Department of Temporal Investigations: Watching the Clock, I mentioned an Andorian "time-fic" author named sh'Lesinas. I figured that even if space travel is treated as routine, they'd still see time travel as a mostly fanciful thing (since most of the time-travel events that happen in Trek are probably classified so the public doesn't find out how easy it is to rewrite history).

I want to mention John M. Ford's classic Klingon novel The Final Reflection, which featured a series called Battlecruiser Vengeance that was basically the Klingon Star Trek. But that wouldn't have been considered science fiction, just a military action-adventure show.
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Old March 25 2012, 10:03 PM   #8
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Well, we know they sometimes watched old monster movies on Archer's Enterprise.
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Old March 25 2012, 10:07 PM   #9
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There was once a Star Trek novel called My Enemy, My Ally in the 1980s which featured Kirk and some technicians watching a hologram of Doctor Who's Tardis materialising and the Fourth Doctor popping out and asking the nearest route to
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Old March 25 2012, 10:09 PM   #10
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Seriously, given that detective stories, westerns, and gothic romances still seem to be popular aboard Federation starships, I think we have to assume that vintage science fiction stories are still enjoyed in the future.

And, as already pointed out, let's not forget "Captain Proton."
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Old March 25 2012, 10:13 PM   #11
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CaptainMatt wrote: View Post
There was once a Star Trek novel called My Enemy, My Ally in the 1980s which featured Kirk and some technicians watching a hologram of Doctor Who's Tardis materialising and the Fourth Doctor popping out and asking the nearest route to
Heathrow.
I don't think that fictional existence in the same universe really counts as existing. If the Tardis were to actually appear on the Enterprise. If the totality of WHO reality and Trek reality were, therefore, supposed to mesh with each other, you would have franchises co-existing with each other.

Technically, any science fiction written before the events of Trek's divergence from actual history, is trivially part of the Trek universe. Verne, for example, is trivially a part of the Trek universe.

EDIT - Oops, misread the OP. My bad.
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Old March 25 2012, 10:24 PM   #12
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In my novel Department of Temporal Investigations: Watching the Clock, I mentioned an Andorian "time-fic" author named sh'Lesinas. I figured that even if space travel is treated as routine, they'd still see time travel as a mostly fanciful thing (since most of the time-travel events that happen in Trek are probably classified so the public doesn't find out how easy it is to rewrite history).

I want to mention John M. Ford's classic Klingon novel The Final Reflection, which featured a series called Battlecruiser Vengeance that was basically the Klingon Star Trek. But that wouldn't have been considered science fiction, just a military action-adventure show.
I also recall somewhere (perhaps in the FASA RPG) that there was another Klingon series based on the adventures of Captain Koloth called "Devisor Victorious".

IIRC, it was this series that helped spread Captain Kirks reputation across the Klingon Empire as he was frequently the "villian" of the series.

I'm wondering what science fiction writers in the 23rd/24th centuries see when they look three hundred years into the future?
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Old March 25 2012, 10:54 PM   #13
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I'm wondering what science fiction writers in the 23rd/24th centuries see when they look three hundred years into the future?
Given the utopianism of the Federation, maybe they write about a galaxy-spanning Federation that's probing into new galaxies or other universes. Maybe some imagine a posthumanoid future where everyone is uploaded into mobile holoemitters and can live forever. Then again, in the wake of the Dominion War (and, in the novels, the Borg invasion), there may be a trend toward apocalyptic Fall-of-the-Federation narratives, cautionary tales of the Federation way of life falling victim to collective consciousness or genetic engineering run amok or some such thing.
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Old March 26 2012, 01:10 AM   #14
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They had James Bond on DS9 and his girl, the approprately named Mona Lovsitt.
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Old March 26 2012, 01:10 AM   #15
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It's been suggested that World War Three did away with TV and movies and there was never really a resurgence as society had been rethought somewhat.
According to TNG's The Neutral Zone, television died out around 2040.

We know from Enterprise's Home that movies were still being made in the 22nd century. In the episode, Archer learns about a WWIII movie released while the NX-01 was in the Expanse that "won all the awards."
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