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Old February 23 2012, 03:28 PM   #1
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The Corbomite Maneuver

Watched the first season episode The Corbomite Maneuver yesterday. It is a good early episode that takes place exclusively on the ship. I did notice, when addressing the Fesarius, Kirk identifies the ship as the United Earth Ship Enterprise. How is this explained/accounted for in terms of cannon? Does he do this in any other episodes?
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Old February 23 2012, 06:00 PM   #2
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I can't explain it. But a lot of early TOS refers to Earth ships and Earth colonies, rather than everything being Federation.
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Old February 23 2012, 06:19 PM   #3
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Clearly, Earth didn't join the Federation until about the second season of Star Trek. In fact, I bet United Earth joined the First Federation, probably in a deal brokered by Lieutenant Bailey with Balok over tranya.
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Old February 24 2012, 01:49 AM   #4
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^ Great answer Pavonis! Who knew Ron Howards brother could be so helpful. Did the First Federation ever become part of the Federation in later Trek books or cannon?
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Old February 24 2012, 02:42 AM   #5
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Snappy answers aside, Patrick, this matter has been explored many times. I suggest you search past threads and Memory Alpha. All you need to know is there.
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Old February 24 2012, 03:19 AM   #6
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^ I apologize for the redundant thread. I'll reference Memory Alpha more carefully in the future.
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Old February 24 2012, 05:35 AM   #7
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^ I apologize for the redundant thread. I'll reference Memory Alpha more carefully in the future.
I don't see why wey can't discuss it again. A lot of topics come up over and over. While search the site and check Memory Alpha might give quick answers, they don't generate discussion.

To my knowledge nothing in canon addresses the issue of the Enterprise being a Earthship in the first few episodes. Just another idea/concept that was abandoned without explanation. (Corbomite Maneuver has more than one )
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Old February 24 2012, 05:45 AM   #8
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Re: The Corbomite Maneuver

Rather than saying the idea of the Enterprise being strictly an Earth ship was abandoned, is it more correct to say that it was refined or revised?

This is an area of production history that I know almost nothing about, so I'd certainly benefit from some discussion.
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Old February 24 2012, 05:52 AM   #9
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The early TOS eps were much more Earth-oriented (or Terracentric, if you prefer). Just the notion of a unified Earth in the future was radical enough. The United Federation of Planets was first mentioned by name in “A Taste of Armageddon,” which was episode #23 in both production and broadcast order.

(If you’ll recall, a line about mankind being “banded together in a single federation” was cut from the opening narration of Forbidden Planet.)
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Old February 24 2012, 05:52 AM   #10
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Rather than saying the idea of the Enterprise being strictly an Earth ship was abandoned, is it more correct to say that it was refined or revised? This is an area of production history that I know almost nothing about.
Semantics. TOS was rapidly evolving over the first half of Season One. A lot of terminology, technology and backstory was abandoned/refined/revised. Sometimes there was even overlap as the stuff they changed was overlooked during rewrites. Which as I understand it, was done under a tight schedule.
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Old February 24 2012, 05:53 AM   #11
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From a production standpoint, why would the writers or producers decide to have the Enterprise's operating authority change from Earth (which the audience would understand and expect) to a vague "Federation"?

Was Spock's presence on the ship in need of an explanation, perhaps? As an alien, or at least half-alien, serving on an Earth ship, he's an oddity. As an alien serving on a ship that represents a larger galactic community, his presence is more understandable. Of course, he's the only non-human (or incompletely human) crewmember, so the crew isn't very diverse for a multicultural ship....
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Old February 24 2012, 06:00 AM   #12
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From a production standpoint, why would the writers or producers decide to have the Enterprise's operating authority change from Earth (which the audience would understand and expect) to a vague "Federation"?

Was Spock's presence on the ship in need of an explanation, perhaps? As an alien, or at least half-alien, serving on an Earth ship, he's an oddity. As an alien serving on a ship that represents a larger galactic community, his presence is more understandable. Of course, he's the only non-human (or incompletely human) crewmember, so the crew isn't very diverse for a multicultural ship....
As I said, the concept of Star Trek was changing. The writers/Producers were tossing ideas around to see what stuck. If something didnt work for them they changed it. They weren't really thinking about "the audience" and especially the future audience.
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Old February 24 2012, 06:11 AM   #13
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So you're saying that when "Arena" was being written the writer just decided to throw in a reference to a random "Federation"?
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Old February 24 2012, 06:17 AM   #14
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So you're saying that when "Arena" was being written the writer just decided to throw in a reference to a random "Federation"?
Possibly. Or it might been Roddenberry or Fontana when doing a rewrite. Or it might of come up when plotting. Arena was written by Gene Coon who was also a producer.
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Old February 24 2012, 06:30 AM   #15
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So the reason for referencing a Federation instead of a United Earth is lost, as is the responsible party. Fair enough, they weren't working with Trekkie historians in mind. Still, I'm as content speculating on Trek production history as I am speculating on any other aspect of Trek.
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