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Old March 7 2012, 10:39 PM   #46
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Then we are indeed fortunate that (bar any possible utterances of Spock Prime) Trek Prime is to all intents and purposes done...
This sentence made me very sad.
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Old March 8 2012, 07:09 AM   #47
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I consider "Prime Trek" as the real Trek. I consider the Reboot Trek as a sad example of the declining standard of todays TV and movie entertainment where there are no new ideas, only old stuff with a layer of doom and gloom over it.

Personally I'm happy that NCIS is still going strong.
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Old March 8 2012, 07:10 AM   #48
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THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
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Old March 8 2012, 07:17 AM   #49
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Sorry, I have to disagree here.

The movie wasn't that bad actually. It had it's good parts and the actors were OK (if we don't mention the fact that the Kirk in the movie looks like an old school buddy which always makes me say "Look, there is Thomas" everytime a picture of the guy shows up).

What I didn't like was the messing with established Trek things (like the destruction of well-known planets) and that those dabblings will set the standard for coming Trek events.

As for movies, the best Trek movie is "Star Trek II-The Wrath Of Khan".

Otherwise I think that Trek is better on TV than in the movies.
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Old March 8 2012, 07:22 AM   #50
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I agree it is better on tv.

My favorite Trek movies would be..

1. ST:XI
2. TUC
3. FC


That would be the top 3 in order of preference. And what a shame there is no VOY movie to add to that list!
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Old March 8 2012, 10:51 AM   #51
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THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
Yep.

Well, definitely greatest Trek movie. Not that I don't love the others, and the series', and the novels, and the comics.
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Old March 8 2012, 11:02 AM   #52
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THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
Yep.

Well, definitely greatest Trek movie. Not that I don't love the others, and the series', and the novels, and the comics.
It's actually my favorite movie ever. THE GREATEST!!



And yeah, I love everything else too.
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ST: TMP and JJ's 2009 movie tie for my favourite film of all time. For me, they both had a magical, immersive quality. I was totally absorbed by the experience of watching them on the big screen.
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Old March 8 2012, 01:21 PM   #54
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And they are making another movie RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

We live in exciting times
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Sorry, but I can't see how killing of the main character of the show and omitting three others will create "a stronger, higher-profile relaunch".
Omitting which three others? Tuvok is currently busy on Titan, and Neelix is off raising a family, but I can't think of any other major VOY characters who could be in the latest relaunch books but aren't. (Actually, Neelix does make an appearance in Unworthy.)

It's not much different than the DS9 relaunch which is also "missing" a few of the show's characters due to the fact that they moved on at the end of the show.

By the way, unless you've read them you are not in a position to comment on the strength of the latest relaunch offerings.

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Now that Treklit is cohesive there is the expectation that it will be a canon within itself.
Nope. The "Crucible" trilogy and "Children of Kings" happily cherrypicked what bits of current TrekLit they wished to ignore.

David Mack said the other day he did not attempt to use the "New Frontier: Turnabout" IDW mini-series when pulling all the Mirror Universe storylines together for a novel finale, "Rise Like Lions".
Honestly, the only difference between how Star Wars does things and how Star Trek does things these days is that in SW there is an expectation that the vast majority of books will slot into the unified continuity (as best they can given the overwrites-from-above mentioned). With Star Trek, it's more or less up to the author and editor whether or not they want to do that. They have that option but not the constraint.
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Old March 8 2012, 08:19 PM   #56
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Janeway, Kes, Tuvok and Neelix are missing. No fun reading without them.

I must admit that I really miss the good, old Star Trek. All series are down, what we got now is Abramsverse which isn't really to my taste. And the books about the 24th century has taken a direction which is not to my taste either.

So it's a bit empty.

I guess I have to read "The Black Shore" again. Or some other masterpiece among the 19 first Voyager books.
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Old March 8 2012, 09:49 PM   #57
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Well we do have 7 seasons of VOY to rewatch. Or in your case, 3 seasons.
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Old March 8 2012, 10:33 PM   #58
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Janeway, Kes, Tuvok and Neelix are missing. No fun reading without them.

I must admit that I really miss the good, old Star Trek. All series are down, what we got now is Abramsverse which isn't really to my taste. And the books about the 24th century has taken a direction which is not to my taste either.

So it's a bit empty.

I guess I have to read "The Black Shore" again. Or some other masterpiece among the 19 first Voyager books.
I understand completely. I'm ready for some good old Trek.
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Old March 8 2012, 10:40 PM   #59
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Janeway, Kes, Tuvok and Neelix are missing. No fun reading without them.

I must admit that I really miss the good, old Star Trek. All series are down, what we got now is Abramsverse which isn't really to my taste. And the books about the 24th century has taken a direction which is not to my taste either.

So it's a bit empty.

I guess I have to read "The Black Shore" again. Or some other masterpiece among the 19 first Voyager books.
Kes was written out of the show. Nothing to do with Treklit. In fact, a version of her is in Rise Like Lions - be grateful !

Tuvok not missing, he is in Titan. By all means read those books - they're pretty good.

Neelix is in the Beyer novels.

Janeway is indeed missing...

And there's not much fun in the 'toys back in the box at the end' numbered novels !
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Old March 8 2012, 11:13 PM   #60
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Janeway, Kes, Tuvok and Neelix are missing. No fun reading without them.

I must admit that I really miss the good, old Star Trek. All series are down, what we got now is Abramsverse which isn't really to my taste. And the books about the 24th century has taken a direction which is not to my taste either.

So it's a bit empty.

I guess I have to read "The Black Shore" again. Or some other masterpiece among the 19 first Voyager books.
Kes was written out of the show. Nothing to do with Treklit. In fact, a version of her is in Rise Like Lions - be grateful !

Tuvok not missing, he is in Titan. By all means read those books - they're pretty good.

Neelix is in the Beyer novels.

Janeway is indeed missing...

And there's not much fun in the 'toys back in the box at the end' numbered novels !
Oh, I really love the seasons 1-3 Voyager books!

As for Rise Like Lions, please tell me more about it. I might read it, but not if there are any "Fury"-scenario crap in it.

As for the current books, well I would rather see Tuvok on Voyager and what I know, Neelix's appearance in the recent Voyager books is only a "guest appearance", not to mention the fact that Janeway is still missing.
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