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Old March 7 2012, 02:59 AM   #61
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

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The whole "cloaked cargo ships are undetectable" is pure bullshit. Cloaked cargo ships were regularly detected in SG-1, Earth with Ancient and Asgard tech should have no problem doing the same.
It's not bullshit, it makes perfect sense given what we've seen. To my knowledge cloaked cargo ships have only ever been detected twice in franchise history. Once by Anubis with with Ancient technology, and again by Zipacna when he'd already detected it coming out of hyperspace and had a fleet above the planet, and even then he only found it by scanning for atmospheric disturbances - not something practical on Earth.
I really don't see why Zipacna's method can't be used in any circumstance.

But regardless, there's enough Ancient and Asgard technology on Earth and on its starships that Goa'uld cloaking technology should effectively be obsolete.
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Old March 7 2012, 11:24 AM   #62
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Unless you have a deeper understanding of Minkowski space equations than I(admittedly a mere layman) you're arguing a point that neither of us know anything about or can dogmatically support. Assuming that hyperspace is somehow completely divorced from normal space is a pretty huge leap to make when neither of us knows anything about the actual mathematics involved.
I never said I knew how it works in real-life, assuming it does, but we do know how it works in the show.

As to hyperspace and warp drive(Alcubierre drive) both are speculative and hypothetical. So while "magic" might not be exactly the right descriptive word, it is not entirely the wrong word either.
It seemed to be used as a critique, I wasn't suggesting it had basis in fact, only offering some perspective. It's no worse than any of the other fictional means of FTL use in sci-fi.

I really don't see why Zipacna's method can't be used in any circumstance.
Because at any given time there are hundred, perhaps thousands of aircraft in the air over Earth. The planet Zipacna used the method on was uninhabited.

But regardless, there's enough Ancient and Asgard technology on Earth and on its starships that Goa'uld cloaking technology should effectively be obsolete.
To my knowledge the amount of Ancient technology is minimal after the chair was destroyed, and we've had no indication that anything we have can detect cloaked ships, ditto Asgard tech. I don't see what the point in arguing that we could detect them is, not when we know via the show that Earth can't, and it's so easy to rationalize why they can't.

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Old March 7 2012, 02:51 PM   #63
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To my knowledge the amount of Ancient technology is minimal after the chair was destroyed,
Well, there is that city-sized starship sitting cloaked outside San Fransisco. Canonically speaking, it should still be there.
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Old March 7 2012, 06:00 PM   #64
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Yeah I forgot about that. Derp.
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Old March 9 2012, 06:20 AM   #65
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

I enjoyed SGU. I'll admit that it did seem a bit slow in getting anywhere in the beginning, but I liked it throughout and it started to get really good towards the end. It got points from me for trying to be different. Atlantis tried too hard to be "SG1.... IN SPACE!!!", and while it wasn't a bad show, it just didn't interest me. Loved SG1. I would have probably ranked the shows with SG1 in a huge lead, with SGU and then Atlantis.
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Old March 9 2012, 07:20 PM   #66
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Atlantis tried too hard to be "SG1.... IN SPACE!!!"
Thanks to your avatar, I read "IN SPACE!!!" in O'Neiil's voice.
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Old March 21 2012, 05:05 AM   #67
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I've just watched the first ep for the first time. Interestingly, back to back with Caprica, SyFy's other tragic failure. Caprica, I had high hopes for, but those hopes died about two thirds into it. SGU, on the other hand, is starting out far better than I though it would.
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Old March 21 2012, 06:35 AM   #68
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I spent several years trying to watch SG-1 and never managing to do anything but loathe it. A year ago, my sister in law nagged and bugged me to give it another chance and I forced myself to sit through the entire first two seasons of it... then I stopped watching TV altogether for two months.

Two days ago I watched the first two episodes of SGU on netflix. I was pleased to discover that it was NOT as horrible as SG-1, and it almost makes me forgot how Stargate Atlantis brutally sodomized my eyeballs.

All in all, it is probably the best Stargate spinoff ever produced. In which case, it's probably a good thing the franchise finally died.
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Old April 4 2012, 09:16 AM   #69
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Ok, about halfway into season one. I'm LOVING this show. Another great scifi/fantasy show with so much potential for even more killed before it's time.
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Old April 4 2012, 08:19 PM   #70
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That's good, that's when the show really starts to pick up, it has some low points but generally if you can slug through the early half of of season 1 it gets better from there.
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Old April 9 2012, 09:45 PM   #71
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I just ordered SGU the second season and can't wait to watch it. I watched on Hulu and they only had a few of season 2
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Old April 9 2012, 10:00 PM   #72
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I just ordered SGU the second season and can't wait to watch it. I watched on Hulu and they only had a few of season 2
If you enjoyed Season 1, you are in for a treat. I didn't enjoy much of S1, I couldn't find anything to appreciate about any of the characters, but, the second half of Season 2 is almost all great, the characters finally hit their stride, shame it ended just when it had really turned into something great
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Old April 10 2012, 03:07 AM   #73
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I've watched a few Stargate episodes over the years, but I hadn't just fallen in love with any of them until SGU. I watched the first couple of episodes when they originally aired then as goes life I just didn't make it a priority and fell out of it. I'm now watching them on Netflix and am about 10 episodes from the end of season two, which I guess is all they made.

But from reading the comments about SGU it seems that most die hard SG fans don't care for the show. Why? I'm totally digging the storylines and character development, and given I loved TNG, DS9, and Voy, I see elements of all three in SGU.
No, you're not the only one. Unfortunately there weren't enough of us. But I'm happy to have my SGU DVDs and forget the rest of Stargate (and its fanbase) entirely. Got tiring trying to debate the merits of the show with zealots who were intent on hating it (although much more so on the forums of Television Without Pity than on these forums of Trek BBS).
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Old April 10 2012, 04:27 AM   #74
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Finished with SGU, first run through. I love this franchise, but this series has become my favorite.

By far.
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Old April 10 2012, 08:36 AM   #75
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I miss SGU. Really liked it especially in season 2.
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