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Old March 5 2012, 06:49 PM   #46
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

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In general, people who liked the other Stargate series didn't seem to like SGU, and people who didn't like the other series seemed to like it. Of course, there are exceptions to both sides.

I didn't really like it at first, but it grew on me and Season 2 was mostly excellent. SGU also had an amazing finale.
I must be one of the exceptions as I liked all three. Just as SG:U had flaws so did SG-1 and SG:A
I'm one of the exceptions, too. I think the three shows fit very well together into one universe.
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Old March 5 2012, 07:31 PM   #47
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

The only real thing that I didn't like about SGU was their inclusion of the Lucian Alliance. The Lucian Alliance is just generally lame.
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Old March 5 2012, 09:49 PM   #48
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

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The only real thing that I didn't like about SGU was their inclusion of the Lucian Alliance. The Lucian Alliance is just generally lame.
I couldn't agree more. I was really happy once they got past that terrible story arc.
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Old March 6 2012, 05:59 PM   #49
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The only real thing that I didn't like about SGU was their inclusion of the Lucian Alliance. The Lucian Alliance is just generally lame.
Not to mention hard to take seriously as the major threat to Earth they were presented as in SGU. I mean seriously these were the guys SG-1 kicked the asses of everytime they met.
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Old March 6 2012, 08:24 PM   #50
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It's not unreasonable for the Lucian Alliance to be a threat despite the technological differences.

I think the explanation is that while SGC has been collecting/deciphering Asgard/Ancient technology, the LA has been similarly scavenging technology from dead System Lords (Anubis/Baal/whatever)

Given the speed of hyperspace in the Stargate 'universe', it makes defending any planet virtually impossible. They showed how one of the attacks could go in Season 2. The only problem with their plan was they wanted the pilot to survive. Hard to defend against a cloaked ship with a bomb.
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Old March 6 2012, 08:36 PM   #51
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The threat comes from Earth having zero countermeasured against a cloaked ship. If anything, it's stretching disbelief that the LA haven't vaporized a city or two already.
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Old March 6 2012, 09:03 PM   #52
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Yeah, the LA aren't a legit threat in a military sense, but as a terrorist organization they could wreak a lot of havoc.
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Old March 6 2012, 09:27 PM   #53
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

By following basic logic, the Lucian Alliance shouldn't be a threat to Earth, and that applies to their SG-1 appearances as well. The Lucian Alliance rely on Goa'uld Ha'taks, which we've seen on SG-1 can be destroyed in two shots by a puddle jumper. Earth has a fleet of BC-304s outfitted with advanced Asgard weaponry which can successfully take on an Ori warship. There is no way a Ha'tak should be able to stand up to a 304.

The whole "cloaked cargo ships are undetectable" is pure bullshit. Cloaked cargo ships were regularly detected in SG-1, Earth with Ancient and Asgard tech should have no problem doing the same.

But I guess this was just conveniently ignored for the sake of "creating drama."
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Old March 6 2012, 10:04 PM   #54
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Not sure about that.

In late Season 10, they still had trouble detecting cloaked ships.
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Old March 6 2012, 10:28 PM   #55
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The problem is that the Stargate franchise has made the classic blunder(one made by almost every major sci-fi franchise) of allowing ships to move really really fast. Without any thought given to the basic physical implications.

At around 3000 meters per second your accelerated mass will hit with roughly the force of its own mass in TNT.

At 86.6% of the speed of light your kinetic energy is equal to the rest mass. Which gives you the force of pure anti-matter. One gram of anti-matter plus one gram of matter will produce a roughly 43 kiloton blast. Say we take an average-ish human mass of 70 kilograms and use that as a relativistic weapon it will hit with the force of 201,620 Hiroshimas.

And a Hatuk or even Deathglider masses a lot more than that.

Anyone with a ship that can travel at a decent percent of lightspeed has the power to destroy civilizations.

Physics ruins fun science fiction.
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Old March 6 2012, 10:30 PM   #56
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Eh, but they're all flying with hyperdrives (read: magic) anyway.
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Old March 6 2012, 10:47 PM   #57
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Re: Am I the only one who loves SGU?

According to the Atlantis episode Daedalus Variations the BC-304s can reach about 50% of lightspeed on their sublight engines. You only need to reach around 14% of lightspeed to become a relativistic weapon.

Plus, has it been shown what happens when an object in hyperspace blows through a planet?

Yeah, its all magic I guess.
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Old March 6 2012, 11:13 PM   #58
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The whole "cloaked cargo ships are undetectable" is pure bullshit. Cloaked cargo ships were regularly detected in SG-1, Earth with Ancient and Asgard tech should have no problem doing the same.
It's not bullshit, it makes perfect sense given what we've seen. To my knowledge cloaked cargo ships have only ever been detected twice in franchise history. Once by Anubis with with Ancient technology, and again by Zipacna when he'd already detected it coming out of hyperspace and had a fleet above the planet, and even then he only found it by scanning for atmospheric disturbances - not something practical on Earth.

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Plus, has it been shown what happens when an object in hyperspace blows through a planet?

Yeah, its all magic I guess.
The question itself is nonsensical. If an object is in hyperspace then it's travelling through hyperspace, it's not travelling through anything in normal space. Also, I think you'll find hyperspace has as much basis in real science as warp drive does, if not more so.
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Old March 6 2012, 11:59 PM   #59
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The question itself is nonsensical. If an object is in hyperspace then it's travelling through hyperspace, it's not travelling through anything in normal space. Also, I think you'll find hyperspace has as much basis in real science as warp drive does, if not more so.
Unless you have a deeper understanding of Minkowski space equations than I(admittedly a mere layman) you're arguing a point that neither of us know anything about or can dogmatically support. Assuming that hyperspace is somehow completely divorced from normal space is a pretty huge leap to make when neither of us knows anything about the actual mathematics involved.

As to hyperspace and warp drive(Alcubierre drive) both are speculative and hypothetical. So while "magic" might not be exactly the right descriptive word, it is not entirely the wrong word either.
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Old March 7 2012, 12:08 AM   #60
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In Season 5's Fail Safe, Anubis sends a Naquadah Asteroid to Earth. By the end of the episode, Carter was able to envelope the entire asteroid in a hyperspace bubble to allow it to go through Earth.

So Hyperspace doesn't necessarily interact with objects in 'real' space.
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