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Old March 27 2012, 07:33 AM   #496
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Harry was Joe Gold too and they only tried to chuck him under the bus once.

Vorrik climbed out of Jeri Taylor's cooch.

And still that's all the screen time he managed to squeeze out of the writing room.

Naomi cost less because she was a child, what about Icheb?

And remember.

When they killed Joe, they thought that we'd be into it.

Nostalgia and closure.

the bs were not trying to offend us.
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Old March 27 2012, 07:37 AM   #497
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Harry was Joe Gold too and they only tried to chuck him under the bus once.
He was less Joe Gold because he was Asian.
When they killed Joe, they thought that we'd be into it.

Nostalgia and closure.
I barely registered that he'd been on the show before when he died.
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Old March 27 2012, 08:29 AM   #498
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Who would you have registered?

We've been through the numbers before, but if the producers wanted to bring someone back from the past to celebrate that the journey was important, who we would recognize and cherish they were poorly regarded for choices.

Lets see?

Including Friendship One, Joe had been in 7 episodes.

That made him a Star.

6 episodes.

Vorrik was in 8 and Samantha was in 9 compared to a staggering 17 episodes by one of the actresses who played her daughter (there were three others counting the baby.).

Hogans dead, Seska's dead, everyone else was an extra or Borg Child.

Voyager just didn't have a very large extended cast.
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Old March 27 2012, 08:35 AM   #499
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If Samantha had died it would have been tragic because we would care about her through her 17 episode daughter. It would be a total of 26 episodes.

I would have cried if Samantha had died, thinking about Naomi arriving home without her mother and her nanny to a father she had never met.
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Old March 27 2012, 08:55 AM   #500
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Nancy and Scarlett were only in one episode together.

Sam should been the one to kill if you were after a barrel full of pathos.

However what she did in Fury is worse. Creating an effective defense against the Vodiians in season one because Kes left a seat open in the conference room after her future self put herin a draw, which means that the Vodiians couldn't touch Voyager and she'd only have the one baby instead of raising a changeling.
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Old March 27 2012, 10:15 AM   #501
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I barely registered that he'd been on the show before when he died.
me too. Poor Joe. Wasn't he in engineering with B'Elanna? I think Ensign Jetal (?) was more memorable and she was only in one episode.
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Old March 27 2012, 10:39 AM   #502
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From Latent image?

Ahni died between worst case scenario and scorpion according to Memory Alpha.

It took the Doctor a year and a half to notice that she was dead.

But honestly, this is like in the case of Lyndsay Ballard in Ashes to Ashes.

They didn't, or couldn't be bothered using an actress/character from an earlier season, and instead had to invent and retroactively insert actresses into voyagers not so rich continuity.
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Old March 27 2012, 10:56 AM   #503
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Nancy and Scarlett were only in one episode together.

Sam should been the one to kill if you were after a barrel full of pathos.

However what she did in Fury is worse. Creating an effective defense against the Vodiians in season one because Kes left a seat open in the conference room after her future self put herin a draw, which means that the Vodiians couldn't touch Voyager and she'd only have the one baby instead of raising a changeling.
I fear you are typing with one hand.
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Old March 27 2012, 11:18 AM   #504
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Sometimes, even three hands are not enough.
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Old March 27 2012, 01:01 PM   #505
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That pretty much defines this thread. No wonder it will never end.
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Old March 27 2012, 02:51 PM   #506
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are you admitting that Kes got more character development in less screen time than Harry? If so, it kind of dashes the "hard to write for" excuse, doesn't it?
Nope, you can still write for a character and hit brick walls in developing them.

Well ok, I accept that for the sake of argument. But if it's generic bridge dialogue, then you don't need a main character slot taken up by a guy who is just reading generic lines. That's why you have walk-on ensign roles.
Voyager couldn't afford to keep the guy playing LT. Carey as a regular re-arrcurring character. Why would they hire and pay out more for a nobody to read lines when they already had someone on the payroll to do it. It's a budget, EVERYBODY and BUSINESS lives on one.

What are these brick walls you keep talking about? As others have shown in looking through the actual episodes, there is no evidence that Kes' role was diminishing in season 3 versus season 2. The "brick wall" thing is only a result of being TOLD that as an after the fact excuse for dumping her. There is no on-screen evidence that Kes was being abandoned as a character before "scorpion, part II."

And I didn't mean a recurring role, I meant roles like those later-season rotating TNG helm ensigns who got three or four lines of generic dialogue per episode. Does it really cost more to do that than to pay a regular salary to a main cast member?
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Old March 27 2012, 03:12 PM   #507
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

If anything, "Before and After" showed us only a snippet of the potential of the Kes character, I really don't see the writers struggling with her in season 3. Sure they changed her hair/clothes but that was a move well overdue, hardly a "desperate attempt to make the character work".
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Old March 27 2012, 03:22 PM   #508
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Well, depending on the end of the world, the amount of money that can be paid out is almost infinity dollars if we take into account residuals that chip away at the syndication payout.

The gall of these meat puppets stealing his money Berman must think furiously.
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Old March 27 2012, 04:22 PM   #509
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That pretty much defines this thread. No wonder it will never end.
That's because we CARE, dammit
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Old March 27 2012, 04:31 PM   #510
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Did you ever wonder what would happen if Greenpeace door knockers delivered pamphlets about the numerous raging global ecological catastrophes in Careville?

Could the Carebear Stare take out a Japanese whaling ship?
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