RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,750
Posts: 5,433,393
Members: 24,836
Currently online: 486
Newest member: Mei'konda

TrekToday headlines

Episode Four of The Red Shirt Diaries
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Star Trek: The Compendium Review
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Orci Drops Rangers Project
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Retro Review: Image in the Sand
By: Michelle on Sep 20

Star Trek: Shadows Of Tyranny Casting Call
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

USS Vengeance And More Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek 3 To Being Shooting Next Year
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek Messenger Bag
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

Star Trek Live In Concert In Australia
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

IDW Publishing December Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Sep 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 16 2012, 07:30 AM   #391
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
So.

They needed a better lie?

Not something you couldn't see through, but at least a lie that didn't make you feel like an idiot when they lied to you. The opposite of FOX news.

I mean, I only just found out that Braga was creating a harmful workplace for Jolene Blacock... Now, logically I'm assuming half the reason she turned him down (numerous times?) is that she didn't want to be a do-over of his relationship with Jeri, (Jeri part II THE REVENGE!) I mean, it's so insulting to think that he only hired Jolene to sleep with her because if it worked once, why not again?

but think...

What if Jeri had turned him down first?

Lawsuited Braga into abandoning the set let like Titpole did?

Maybe Brannon had more hair, or he was sincere, to get away with this Madmen mentality once, but if he'd botched the job at his first time at bat, and Jeri Ryan had got litigious, the last four seasons of Voyager would have been Bragaless and they probably wouldn't have bothered inviting him on board for Enterprise...

And then Jolene wouldn't have been hired as Titpole.

Since, y'know... Different producers might not have hired her just for the opportunity to sleep with her? I'm not saying she isn't talented or didn't do a good job, but a letch hired her to letch her letcherously. Take that jenesequa away and she's just a talented actress like all the other talented actresses...

But the real "funny as balls" point here is that we almost had a Frankenstein situation on our hands.

The monster almost by a narrow margin destroyed her creator.

And...

If Brannon got fired, outsourced fast enough, they might have money to bring Jennifer back.



So once again it is all 7's fault.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 08:32 AM   #392
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Jeri not Seven.

They're different people.

Same jumblies, different drama.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 02:19 PM   #393
spot_loves_data
Captain
 
spot_loves_data's Avatar
 
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Wait... so what the hell happened? Are you saying Ryan slept with Braga?!

Where did you hear that?
spot_loves_data is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 02:26 PM   #394
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

it wasn't a secret.

From her wikipedia page...

Ryan had at one point dated Star Trek: Voyager producer Brannon Braga. Between February and November 2000, they were stalked by Marlon Estacio Pagtakhan, who was convicted for harassment and threats in May 2001.[26][27][28] According to Crime Stories, aired on the UK Crime channel on 05/07/2009,[when?] the stalker had letters stating that he was going to sexually assault Ryan and torture Braga.
hmph.

Next you're going to be telling me that you didn't know that Roddenberry had a very meaningful and moist relationship with the Enterprise's First officer in the 60s?
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 02:27 PM   #395
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

spot_loves_data wrote: View Post
Wait... so what the hell happened? Are you saying Ryan slept with Braga?!

Where did you hear that?
Old news. They were an item for several years during production, IIRC. Yep: 1999-2004.

http://www.famoushookups.com/site/ce...an&celebid=617
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 02:37 PM   #396
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
and torture Braga.
Only Marlon Estacio Pagtakhan?
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 02:54 PM   #397
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Everyone else was too afraid.

You see what happens on 24.

The bad Arabs (I don't write it! hell, they cast Bashir as a terrorist!) torture Jack Baur, then he escapes, and tortures the bad Arab back 10 times as hard.

It's just not worth the risk.

Remember.

Brannon liked America when he made Voyager and Enterprise.

Imagine the TV he would make if he hated America?
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 04:41 PM   #398
spot_loves_data
Captain
 
spot_loves_data's Avatar
 
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Ick. This is why I don't go out of my way to find out about the personal lives of actors.

I just heard on a podcast that Kira and Bashir had a child in real life. So, yeah, I'm not up to date on this stuff.
spot_loves_data is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 04:45 PM   #399
sonak
Vice Admiral
 
Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

spot_loves_data wrote: View Post
Ick. This is why I don't go out of my way to find out about the personal lives of actors.

I just heard on a podcast that Kira and Bashir had a child in real life. So, yeah, I'm not up to date on this stuff.

you don't have to be. The actors aren't the characters.
sonak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 04:58 PM   #400
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

sonak wrote: View Post
spot_loves_data wrote: View Post
Ick. This is why I don't go out of my way to find out about the personal lives of actors.

I just heard on a podcast that Kira and Bashir had a child in real life. So, yeah, I'm not up to date on this stuff.

you don't have to be. The actors aren't the characters.
First of all, in that episode Fascination where Lwaxanna is broadcasting Lust at everyone and they all turn into sexahollics... Kira and Bashir were ALL OVER EACH OTHER... I mean sure they were acting, but if they didn't do that for fun after ahours anyway, the level of physicality they exherted on the set that day would make the worlds top pornstars blush and need to steady themselves against the furniture.

Second, O'Brien's baby inside Kira was really Sigid's baby inside Nana. I loved watching peopeles heads explode while explaining that one away...
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2012, 09:08 PM   #401
sonak
Vice Admiral
 
Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
sonak wrote: View Post
spot_loves_data wrote: View Post
Ick. This is why I don't go out of my way to find out about the personal lives of actors.

I just heard on a podcast that Kira and Bashir had a child in real life. So, yeah, I'm not up to date on this stuff.

you don't have to be. The actors aren't the characters.
First of all, in that episode Fascination where Lwaxanna is broadcasting Lust at everyone and they all turn into sexahollics... Kira and Bashir were ALL OVER EACH OTHER... I mean sure they were acting, but if they didn't do that for fun after ahours anyway, the level of physicality they exherted on the set that day would make the worlds top pornstars blush and need to steady themselves against the furniture.

Second, O'Brien's baby inside Kira was really Sigid's baby inside Nana. I loved watching peopeles heads explode while explaining that one away...

sure, but the episodes still work on their own. You can watch them without the behind the scenes stuff.(I didn't know about Siddig and Visitor until long after seeing those episodes, for example)
sonak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2012, 03:02 AM   #402
exodus
Fleet Admiral
 
Location: The Digital Garden
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Lynx wrote: View Post
^^
They gave us a reason, yes. But the "reason" they gave us was not convincing at all.
Considering in the past you've compared Berman & Braga to Hitler(someone that organized mass genocide) just because they fired one actress. I don't believe there is ANY statement false or factual that could convince someone that would take the issue to such extremes.
__________________
A Tiger doesn't loose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
exodus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2012, 06:05 AM   #403
DeepSpaceWine
Commander
 
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Well, Jeri Ryan may not have made late Voyager/Enterprise Braga-less, but at least she played a part in helping take down an opponent to a certain State Senator running for the US Senate in 2004. It was her character that made it an issue, and it became an issue of her ex-husband's character. He still probably would have won because the guy had other issues (Ryan had become a dirty name in the state simply through there being a swarm of unrelated Ryans in the Republican party at the time and the other Ryans having issues/flaws of their own) and because of the composition of the state's politics, but instead, he was forced out and a carpetbagging lunatic was put up and promptly steamrolled 3:1. And for that I'm grateful. Since her husband left that race, there hasn't been a Ryan in state politics. That US Senate race?- Barack Obama vs. Jack Ryan (the carpetbagger invited in was Alan Keyes). Obama won in a landslide, 73~75% or so. If it was Obama vs. Ryan, it would've been closer, probably 55~56 down to 50% or so.

The other Ryans?- Governor George Ryan, currently behind bars for massive corruption that led to the deaths of at least 5 children and the worst pileup in California in one year (his corruption made roads dangerous throughout the country for about 11 years. I don't think anyone has tried to quantify all the accidents caused by his drivers) and Jim Ryan, a guy who looked like Lex Luthor who was perpetually angry who was running to succeed George Ryan. He seemed stuck permanently in a Banner-Hulk transformation state, only without the glowing eyes, muscles, or green paint. He was some kind of prosecutor holding a political office. He looked like he could go postal at almost any moment. That scared a lot of people off from potentially voting for him and he was running when people wanted change and he represented more of the same and "another Ryan" on top of it.
DeepSpaceWine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2012, 07:29 AM   #404
Lynx
Rear Admiral
 
Lynx's Avatar
 
Location: Lynx Empire
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

exodus wrote: View Post
Lynx wrote: View Post
^^
They gave us a reason, yes. But the "reason" they gave us was not convincing at all.
Considering in the past you've compared Berman & Braga to Hitler(someone that organized mass genocide) just because they fired one actress. I don't believe there is ANY statement false or factual that could convince someone that would take the issue to such extremes.
A bit exaggerated actually. I did compare them with dictators in general and the attitude of dictators, not accusing them of genocide.

And talking about past sins, well I think we have a lot in common there. So I think it would be best if none of us opened that can of worms.

And back to topic, I don't find their statement convincing for many reasons.

If an actor leaves a certain show voluntarily, there are always a very straightforward statement from both parts. Such as: "Actor XXX is going to leave the show because he/she want to spend more time with his/her family who have been a bit neglected the last 4 years and he/she will also fulfil a longtime dream to start an ostrich farm in Arkansas. So we wish Actor XXX all luck in the future and thanks for all years go good work".

Then Actor XXX shows up in some interview where he/she talks about why he/she left a successful show, maybe there's a picture with he/she and the family at the ostrich farm in some magazine". That happened when Richard Dean Anderson left Stargate SG1 and when the actress who played Caitlin Todd in NCIS left.

When there is foul play involved, like in the Lien case and the Gates McFadden case, there are always that crap about "the character wasn't working" or "mutual agreement" (words that really makes me cringe).

In the Lien case they started up with "she left of her own will", then when it was obvious to all and everyone that she didn't leave of her own will, then they started with their excuses about "the character wasn't working" and "we couldn't come up with good stories about her" which looks a bit strange since they didn't have any problems with coming up with stories for three years.

They would have told it as it was: "We fired Lien and annihilated the character because we had to add a sexy babe" to the show in an attempt to boost the ratings", not tried to sugarcoat things with tales about "mutual agreement and problems to write for the character.

And no, I haven't forgotten "Fury" either. If the events in season 2 could be described as a stupid mistake and a foolish act, then "Fury" was a deliberate insult to a group of fans. A "dictatorial" act to say the least, against fans who wanted a character back.
__________________
Who'd let that cat in here?

Welcome to visit the Kes Website at a new location soon!
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2012, 07:41 AM   #405
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Do TPTB have to pay out redundancy, unemployment, parachute, buy out their contract, whatever... Depending on "how" the talent is fired"?

It can't just be about PR?
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
kes, kim, lien

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:03 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.