Why was Kes written off the show?

[teacake]

It's certainly not SW.

[Guy Gardener]

When i say Seven of Nine Toast rack, does your brain go tot he same place mine does? i assume that a toaster couldn't use the same basic design, but what about hand cranked grapefruit juicers?

10 people buy a hundred dollar seven of nine toaster or a hundred people buy a 10 dollar seven of nine t-shirt.

Marketing all depends on who you target.

[teacake]

My 7 of 9 toaster contains no "rack" jests, rather it looks like Borg technology and has voice activations.

Push bread down in toaster, toaster says: "Your biological distinctiveness has been added to our own."

Adjust toasting level dial, toaster says: "You will adapt."

Toast begins to burn while still in toaster, toaster says: "Don't panic. It's counter productive."

Toast pops up, toaster announces: "Remove your toast or I will remove your arm!"

Would I pay 100.00 for this? I'll take two please.

[Lynx]

doubleohfive wrote:

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Speculation.

Your (subjective) opinion.

And this basically Godwin's the thread with your basic, fundamental lack of understanding about how television series budgeting operates.

On the contrary, I know a lot about showbiz since I've worked in the business myself, although most in the musical spectrum of it

[Guy Gardener]

Teaching a Toaster how to Talk.

Ask Dave Lister if that's such a great idea?

[teacake]

I believe my profile has something to say about that

[Lynx]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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Very wrong. Seven of Nine was many variations of action figure. Half-Borgified (as in "The Gift"), Silver-suited, Plum-suited and Blue-suited, all in the 4.5" size, cloth-dressed figures in both 9" (Brown-suited and Silver-suited) and 12" (Silver), plus a Hallmark ornament and even coldcast statues and a life-size mannequin.

Kes only got a short-packed 4.5" figure.

Even Janeway only got one regular 4.5", one "Flashback" exclusive (designed by me for NewForce Comics), one 9" figure and a Hallmark ornament.

Seven:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...at=0&_from=R40

Kes:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...at=0&_from=R40

So Playmates and Hallmark should subsidize an actor's salary and not sell any toys or ornaments?

What you and some other posters seem to forget is that Seven Of Nine was deliberately marketed in a very different way from how Kes was marketed. When it comes to Kes, she was one of the main cast but not featuring in any way and when it comes to marketing, you should compare the marketing of Kes with the marketing of Tuvok, Paris, Torres, The Doctor, Neelix, Kim and maybe Chakotay. How many Doctor items are there to find? And how many times did we see The Doctor on any book cover?

When Seven arrived, those in charge had decided that she was the new star of the show, the new main character. That, plus the "sex sells" factor was the reason for all Seven items that started to show up on the market, not to mention all those posters and articles about her in all the Trek magazines which were going at the same time.

When it comes to my suggestion about all that marketing money being used to have ten main characters, well in another post it was stated that Paramount earned lots of $$$ on the Seven Of Nine stuff so maybe all that $$$ could have been used to keep ten main characters.

[Guy Gardener]

teacake wrote:

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I believe my profile has something to say about that

So, exactly how often are you a teacake, and how often are you a toasted teacake?

[teacake]

Lynx wrote:

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What you and some other posters seem to forget is that Seven Of Nine was deliberately marketed in a very different way from how Kes was marketed. When it comes to Kes, she was one of the main cast but not featuring in any way and when it comes to marketing, you should compare the marketing of Kes with the marketing of Tuvok, Paris, Torres, The Doctor, Neelix, Kim and maybe Chakotay. How many Doctor items are there to find? And how many times did we see The Doctor on any book cover?

But.. we did get THIS.

[teacake]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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So, exactly how often are you a teacake, and how often are you a toasted teacake?

When I'm hot, I'm hot.

[Guy Gardener]

Lynx wrote:

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What you and some other posters seem to forget is that Seven Of Nine was deliberately marketed in a very different way from how Kes was marketed. When it comes to Kes, she was one of the main cast but not featuring in any way and when it comes to marketing, you should compare the marketing of Kes with the marketing of Tuvok, Paris, Torres, The Doctor, Neelix, Kim and maybe Chakotay. How many Doctor items are there to find? And how many times did we see The Doctor on any book cover?

When Seven arrived, those in charge had decided that she was the new star of the show, the new main character. That, plus the "sex sells" factor was the reason for all Seven items that started to show up on the market, not to mention all those posters and articles about her in all the Trek magazines which were going at the same time.

When it comes to my suggestion about all that marketing money being used to have ten main characters, well in another post it was stated that Paramount earned lots of $$$ on the Seven Of Nine stuff so maybe all that $$$ could have been used to keep ten main characters.

You're aware that these are all separate and unrelated departments?

usually at war with another.

Berman looked better to his bosses if all these other bastards trying to make money off "the brand" and off his work FAILED.

Well, failed relativey compared to his successes.

the guy who was in charge of the toys wanted to destroy the guy in charge of the games who wanted to kill the guy in charge of the print media who wanted to annihilate the frakk in charge of the apparrel who all wanted to destroy Berman who was in charge of broadcast media.

Evolution comes through conflict.

[Therin of Andor]

Lynx wrote:

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What you and some other posters seem to forget is that Seven Of Nine was deliberately marketed in a very different way from how Kes was marketed.

That's kinda the point. Kes was too mousey and plain to be promoted as the show's T&A, jiggly poster-girl.

How many Doctor items are there to find?

He did get a 4.5" figure and a 9" figure. And a Hallmark ornament. And a very popular cameo in "First Contact". And a holographic trading card.

And how many times did we see The Doctor on any book cover?

Robert Picardo actually wrote "The Hologram's Handbook" for Pocket Books:
http://www.amazon.com/Holograms-Hand.../dp/0743437918

When Seven arrived, those in charge had decided that she was the new star of the show, the new main character.

No, it was decided before she arrived.

That, plus the "sex sells" factor was the reason for all Seven items that started to show up on the market, not to mention all those posters and articles about her in all the Trek magazines which were going at the same time.

Exactly. The Kes character did not have that merchandising potential. Her character (and the actress) were not designed that way.

When it comes to my suggestion about all that marketing money being used to have ten main characters, well in another post it was stated that Paramount earned lots of $$$ on the Seven Of Nine stuff so maybe all that $$$ could have been used to keep ten main characters.

You still don't understand. Monies earned by a studio are channelled through to shareholders as profits, not in keeping an overblown cast of a TV show together.

With ten characters, everybody gets even less lines per script. No matter how much you loved Kes, complaining how unfair it was doesn't change the fact that the show's producers were ordered to shake up the status quo in an effort to attract more interest in the show. And they did. And sales of Seven merchandise was good - because it kept getting produced. There were a lot of Seven items because the stores couldn't keep enough of them on the shelves. Without Seven and her ample assets, VOY may have lost many more viewers than they already had.

[Guy Gardener]

I spent 5 minutes googling for "seven of Nine merchandise' and all I found was a coffee mug, a bust and a few posters from the original promotional shots from before she actually started.

Although, I did see a TOS edition of UNO that looks wicked.

These people had no idea how to capitalize on Jeri wearing a sock.

[Lynx]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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That's kinda the point. Kes was too mousey and plain to be promoted as the show's T&A, jiggly poster-girl.

He did get a 4.5" figure and a 9" figure. And a Hallmark ornament. And a very popular cameo in "First Contact". And a holographic trading card.

Robert Picardo actually wrote "The Hologram's Handbook" for Pocket Books:
http://www.amazon.com/Holograms-Hand.../dp/0743437918

No, it was decided before she arrived.

Exactly. The Kes character did not have that merchandising potential. Her character (and the actress) were not designed that way.

You still don't understand. Monies earned by a studio are channelled through to shareholders as profits, not in keeping an overblown cast of a TV show together.

With ten characters, everybody gets even less lines per script. No matter how much you loved Kes, complaining how unfair it was doesn't change the fact that the show's producers were ordered to shake up the status quo in an effort to attract more interest in the show. And they did. And sales of Seven merchandise was good - because it kept getting produced. There were a lot of Seven items because the stores couldn't keep enough of them on the shelves. Without Seven and her ample assets, VOY may have lost many more viewers than they already had.

So what the show needed was a "T&A, jiggly poster-girl".
Oh, and I thougt it was a SF series about exploring space. Not to mention that the strength of Star Trek always has been the stories and good characters, something Voyager already had.

"Mousey and plain" doesn't fit the description of Kes but I agree that the character wasn't supposed to be the featured character. That role was designed to Kathryn Janeway.

As for "less lines per script" with ten character and "overblown cast", well someone must have forgotten to tell that to those in charge of DS9.

And if everything was about profit, why did they bother to keep all the main character. They could have dumped all of them except Seven, then it would have been more money to the great shareholders.

Honestly, showbiz is a stinking business. I know.

And I don't think that Voyager would have lost more viewers without any changes, not if those in charge had concentrated on their main job, to come up with good stories for the characters they had.

[JanewayRulz!]

teacake wrote:

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Where is all this wondrous 7 merchandise and why do I not own it.

http://shop.cafepress.com/seven-of-n...FYNx4AodUklCWQ

I particularily like the "Your appeal to my humanity is pointless" Tshirt and the "I (borg cube) Seven of Nine" gym bag.