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Old March 8 2012, 08:12 PM   #271
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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your posts on this seem to be "whatever the writers/producers say is right and good enough for me."
Yep. I've heard enough inside stories, from people who were actually there, to believe that what the creative team said they felt to be true, at least at the time, is true. These things are not decided on a whim, usually. Hollywood is big business and no one likes to get it wrong.

Jeri Ryan was a breath of fresh air for the franchise. A revitalised Kes was not going to have the same spike of interest.

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Besides that, if Lien had been a pain in the @** for her co-workers...
When did I ever say that? I said that the writers were disappointed with the character and, despite numerous attempts to steer the character in very different directions, over three seasons, they were still unhappy with Kes.

Tales about Lien being a difficult person are pure speculation.
No, I know people who had to attempt to explain her bizarre actions at a convention to some very angry fans, who'd travelled interstate to see her. She's a very shy woman who continued to attempt to do conventions, even though she'd realised she was unsuited to that method of public speaking. And yet she kept accepting invitations.
But conventions have nothing to do with her daily work on the set. Obviously everything worked fine for three years during which she did a splendid job. So why the sudden "problems" with "writing for the character" just when season 4 was about to start?
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Old March 8 2012, 08:19 PM   #272
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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I'm re-watching Voyager, and there are few bright spots. One was Kes, but she just got written off the show ("just" being a relative term). Any idea why?
Because they needed something with big tits that would give men 18-40 thier boners. Face it, its Hollywood, even in Star Trek there MUST be sex appeal.
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Old March 8 2012, 09:03 PM   #273
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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I'm re-watching Voyager, and there are few bright spots. One was Kes, but she just got written off the show ("just" being a relative term). Any idea why?
Because they needed something with big tits that would give men 18-40 thier boners.
It's already been explained more than a few times in this thread that wasn't the reason.

Seven of Nine was added to show to spice things up, but not to originally replace Kes.
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Old March 8 2012, 09:11 PM   #274
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

You'd have to wonder if Jeri had been cast as Kes in the beginning, what monster they would have figured they'd need to 'spice' the show up if they already had a catsuited booby lady.
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Old March 8 2012, 09:19 PM   #275
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They probably would have changed the entire format of the show, probably have the Voyager return back home and bring most of the Borg Collective with them to the Federation's doorstep, IMO.

It so wouldn't have been a good time to be in the Federation with the Dominion War looming on the horizon too in DS9.
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Old March 8 2012, 11:59 PM   #276
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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As a fan, I think I have the right to do that since the fans actually are those who keep these people at work.
I think you're overestimating the power of fandom. Those who consider themselves fans of any given genre usually make up a very small percentage of the audience. Producers look for the larger audience as a whole. That's where the revenue is. Any industry that catered only to the fans would quickly go broke.
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Old March 9 2012, 12:17 AM   #277
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Maybe it's simpler than breast size. Maybe its breasts, period.

With Captain Janeway, Chief Engineer Torres, and Roving Medic Kes, we had 3 principle females in an ensemble cast of 9. 2 of whom basically ran the ship. Add 7 of 9, a character that would soon become another department head and primary mover/shaker then this show really does look like its "A ship of Valkyries".

Take away the male Operations officer and replace him with say nothing Lt Ayala and the girls really do seem to "take over".

Take away the female medic and by shear numbers it looks like the male storylines are safe. (Of course, they did not factor in the "all 7 all the time" effect of later seasons. )


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Old March 9 2012, 02:30 AM   #278
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

That's another disappointing thing about ditching Kes instead of Harry or Chakotay. With both Kes and Seven, the show would have been very female dominated and that aspect really woulda set it apart as something fairly special.
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Old March 9 2012, 10:48 AM   #279
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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I know she has written a lot of fan fiction
Lynx is male.
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Old March 9 2012, 11:10 AM   #280
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fanfiction is usually love letters or hate-mail, the sex of the writer is incidental.
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Old March 9 2012, 12:48 PM   #281
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the sex of the writer is incidental.
That wasn't my point.
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Old March 9 2012, 12:57 PM   #282
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I could tell.
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Old March 9 2012, 01:05 PM   #283
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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fanfiction is usually love letters or hate-mail, the sex of the writer is incidental.
I thought it was mostly porn.

(not picking on you, Lynx, I haven't read your fic)
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Old March 9 2012, 01:34 PM   #284
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Porn is when you get paid.

Love is when your husband is sending naked pictures of you to a biker magazine.
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Old March 9 2012, 01:36 PM   #285
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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the sex of the writer is incidental.
That wasn't my point.
Did you have a point other than nitpicking?


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Why do these things never happen to me..
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