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Old February 23 2012, 12:55 PM   #16
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Re: Was Lt. Carey screwed over in Voyager?

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That is after all why Kes warmed Neelix's bed for 2 years.
Until she got super powers and now it was her that could protect him and suddenly he was just a pet rodent.
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Old February 23 2012, 01:10 PM   #17
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Love is about cultivating impossible illusions.

We transfer and imprint a lot of shit onto our selected mate they could never live up to, even if they were aware about how out of step our estimation of their resources are...

We never saw them break up.

It's an interesting question if they even got together again after warlord?

Because it would be pretty hard on her that first, he didn't notice she'd been taken over, and second that he just accepted that their love could die, which is ridiculous when you consider how she tricked Kathy into murdering Tuvix so that she could get her hedgehog loving.

She loved him so much as to kill his first born.

That's a rough sort of love I wouldn't want to fuck with or get inbetween.

Actually.

She killed Tuvix!

Maybe Neelix was bloody happy to be rid of her, he remembers being murdered by the intensity of her love because he, when he was Tuvix loved her "wrong".

He's not a spider.

Death doesn't give him an orgasm.
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Old February 23 2012, 02:15 PM   #18
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Future Janeway didn't seem interested in traveling further back in time to save him and he died a few months before Voyager got home.
Janeway was in love in Seven, not Carey...duh. You think Admiral Janeway cared if Chakotay never got over 7's death? (As if anyone believed that excuse!)

In TIMELES, old Kim felt guilt about getting everyone killed, but old Janeway just wanted her borg bombshell back.
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Old February 23 2012, 04:02 PM   #19
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you have to look for the most distinctive redletter moment that stamps a flag in those moments of history. What happened then and there that never happened before or after?

1. Seven and Chakotay hooked up. saving the ship before they hooked up wouldn't save their marriage. Seven's standing virginity might also have been criteria to Admiral Janeway arriving when she did.

2. Chell was about to take over the Neelix's kitchen. A Bolians tongue has a cartilaginous lining and their digestive system greatly differs from a human being, making them capable of eating foods that would make 'normal' species' sick or dead. It's possible that those 20 people not as yet dead crewmen Janeway was referring to, all died from Chell's cooking.

3. Miral Paris was heavily involved in the planning of this mission in the future. It might have been a condition of helping the Adnmiral that her local of birth was changed form the DQ to the AQ.

Any other reason is complete shine.
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Old February 24 2012, 02:30 AM   #20
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No.
Lt Carey was the Boba Fett of Trek.
A character that was never meant to serve any major purpose, that the fans got attached too and make a bigger deal over him than he deserved.
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Old February 24 2012, 02:48 AM   #21
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No.
Lt Carey was the Boba Fett of Trek.
A character that was never meant to serve any major purpose, that the fans got attached too and make a bigger deal over him than he deserved.
But.. when did this happen? I didn't get that newsletter.
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Old February 24 2012, 03:48 AM   #22
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Re: Was Lt. Carey screwed over in Voyager?

I thought it was a fair shame that for awhile Voyager had a rapport going between several lower-decks types in Engineering, and then it systematically dismantled that. Not that Seska being a Cardie wasn't great and all, but to kill or disappear everyone related to that event seemed like an unfortunate move, especially when nothing replaced it.
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Old February 24 2012, 04:45 AM   #23
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You're right, I really liked the chemistry among the Engineering team, "Prime Factors" was a great example of it.
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Old February 24 2012, 05:10 AM   #24
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But that was completely dysfunction even if the writers didn't know that Seska was Cardassian.

Seska was manipulating B'Elanna, and B'Elanna didn't notice that she was being peer presured into a life of crime... it was like Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald were sharing coffee in Engineering.

Rotten apple.
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Old February 24 2012, 05:23 AM   #25
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I think allowing us to have more insight into how secondary characters felt regarding developments aboard the ship might have done a lot to address concerns that tensions between Starfleet and the Maquis died off too quickly.

By no means am I endorsing the idea of more Starfleet defiance a la "Prime Factors", but just to see that everyone wasn't in agreement all of the time, even (or perhaps especially) if that never reached the command level, would have made me appreciate the show a bit more.

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Old February 24 2012, 08:07 AM   #26
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Of course, that means that Lieutenant Carey had to report to "Captain Kim" whenever shit got real.

Madness.

If Carey was awake and on duty during the nightshift, what the hell is he doing hiding down in Engineering when he should be on the bridge?
In TNG's Arsenal of Freedom, Chief Engineer Logan had to take orders from Lt jg La Forge when the latter was acting captain of the good ship Lollypop. He wasn't happy about it, but that's the way its done. This in and of itself didn't make much sense to me, though, because Logan was only a Lieutenant. On a ship the size of the Enterprise, there MUST have been a bevy of Lt. Commanders in charge of the various other departments who would all outrank Logan, too.

I also thought it was silly how many chief engineers the Enterprise had in season 1, and then La Forge gets promoted in season 2 and keeps the job for the next 15 years.
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Old February 24 2012, 08:41 AM   #27
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I never really cared about Carey. What bugged me was that blonde science officer. You never saw her face in focus, and she never said a single line... but she was a bridge officer!

Fun fact about the "night shift" or whatever... in the navies (all of the NATO ones AFAIK), they call them "watches" instead of shifts, and they have them set up so that you're always moving up one watch every time. Even though there's no night on a starship, it makes sense that they'd do that, so that you wouldn't always getting the 12-4 AM watch. This brings me to another thing that bugged me about Voyager: whenever something unexpected happened it was always the same group of people on the bridge. What, do they drop out of warp when they're sleeping? Once in a while, I would have liked to see Janeway have to get out of bed for the latest anomaly or attack.
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Old February 24 2012, 09:38 AM   #28
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submarines simulate night and day to a degree to keep the circadian rhythms tickityboo, and the same would probably be true for long term space missions.
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Old February 24 2012, 11:30 AM   #29
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The thing that always got me about the 'night shift' was the notion that nothing important ever happened during them.

As though the entirety of the Delta Quadrant all adopted Voyagers time-zone....

Sure, it might be 0300 on Voyager, but it could be 09:00 for the nearby alien who's just downed his morning coffee and is now up for a fight...
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Old February 24 2012, 12:12 PM   #30
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Star system, void, star system.

Warp 8 is 1024 C, while warp 7 is 656 times the speed of light.

warp 7 is almost 1/2 as slow as warp 8.

It's true that they might be trying to get to where ever they're going quickly, but it's also true that they can plan their journeys to only arrive in really troublesome points like the borders to empires, starbases and the rims of solar systems when Janeway is awake and MOST of the "good" crew is awake and the "losers" are asleep, just by pushing the engines sometimes and giving them a break others.
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