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Old February 20 2012, 05:06 AM   #1
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Flying hours?

Today's pilots have to have so many flying hours per year (or month, not sure.)

Do the pilots of the Star Trek era have the same requirements. Would Picard, Riker and other members of the Senior Staff who pilot the ship or shuttles have the same requirements? Would Picard on occasion take the helm for the hell of it? I mean he could, he's the fracking Captain. Or would holodeck flight simulations count?

What do you guys think?

I think they should and do. Holodeck is fine by me, too.
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Old February 20 2012, 05:23 AM   #2
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Re: Flying hours?

By the 24th century, a shuttlecraft is equivalent to a mini-van, they would receive a qualification when they were 16 years old and that would be it.

There would be some specialized Starfleet controls for weapons and such, but the basic controls would be just like the civilian models.

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Old February 20 2012, 07:34 AM   #3
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Re: Flying hours?

Actually, I think a periodic "re-certification" test would be entirely reasonable, for shuttles and possibly for other systems. There may be a number of approved options for how to go about this - holodeck training sims, field operations, "checkout flights" with a suitable observer, etc..

Law-enforcement officers are required to undergo periodic re-training and re-certification for firearms use. Also, yes, all the minivan drivers I ever heard of need to renew their licenses on occasion as well.
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Old February 20 2012, 08:46 AM   #4
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Re: Flying hours?

Re-new your license yes. But you don't have to re-qualify, you don't have to re-test.

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Old February 20 2012, 11:23 AM   #5
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Re: Flying hours?

Eye tests are done every so often.

There have been pushes to have elderly drivers retest every so often, but the AARP is pretty strong, and the Constitution seems to be on their side. I wouldn't mind if ALL drivers had to retest every 10 years or 3 renewals (In Texas that'd be every 12 years.) That'd get around the argument that the AARP puts forth. We are violating the rights of the elderly by making them retest at a certain age. They wouldn't be singled out if everyone had to do it.

Let's face it, everyone could use a refresher course or test and there does come a time when you have to take the keys away from your parents.
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Old February 20 2012, 12:14 PM   #6
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Re: Flying hours?

In '100110000111' (or whatever it's called, the one where the Bynars nick the Enterprise), Picard takes the helm. As I recall, he says something like "It's been a while since I've done this." That suggests that he does not regularly fly the ship.
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Old February 20 2012, 12:38 PM   #7
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Pilots do. Any aircraft is inherently far more dangerous than any minivan.

Think about it, The amount of mayhem a minivan can inflict is considerable but also comparitively limited. Plough full speed into a group of pedestrians or another crowded vehicle are about the worst case scenarios for them. Flying vehicles move a lot faster than any minivan, are frequently a lot bigger, carry a lot more volatile substances, and there is a much much greater range of bad things that can happen with or to them.

Plus, as has already been pointed out, drivers of ground vehicles are often required to undergo eye tests to retain their licenses, and may be restricted or even disqualified for a number of medical conditions.
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Old February 20 2012, 11:19 PM   #8
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Re: Flying hours?

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In '100110000111' (or whatever it's called, the one where the Bynars nick the Enterprise), Picard takes the helm. As I recall, he says something like "It's been a while since I've done this." That suggests that he does not regularly fly the ship.
In Booby Trap and Conundrum Picard took the helm with little difficulty. In Booby Trap, he did some expert flying.
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Old February 20 2012, 11:22 PM   #9
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And those episodes were after "11001001". Presumably Picard was rusty from his 9 year break (y'know, between Stargazer and Enterprise), and he reacquainted himself with helm control after the Bynar incident.
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Old February 20 2012, 11:25 PM   #10
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You know in some countries your driving license can last 52 or so years before you have to renew it.
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Old February 21 2012, 03:10 AM   #11
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Re: Flying hours?

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You know in some countries your driving license can last 52 or so years before you have to renew it.
Drivers here are bad enough, and most states make you renew your license ever 4 or 5 years.

Can you tell me what countries these are so I can avoid them.
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Old February 21 2012, 03:15 AM   #12
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Re: Flying hours?

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You know in some countries your driving license can last 52 or so years before you have to renew it.
Mine's due to expire in October 2061!
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Old February 21 2012, 04:49 AM   #13
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Re: Flying hours?

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You know in some countries your driving license can last 52 or so years before you have to renew it.
Undoubtedly, and I am pretty sure that those tend to be places where I want to stay the hell away from the roads.

Recall reading that, in Egypt, the driver license test comprises driving the vehicle thirty feet in a straight line. That's it. Might have changed since I read this, of course.
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Old February 21 2012, 05:27 AM   #14
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Re: Flying hours?

What I want to know is:

Do they sign off as organ-donors on their Starship drivers licenses?
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Old February 21 2012, 05:42 AM   #15
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Re: Flying hours?

I can't think they'd need to, between bio-synthetic organs and cloned organs
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