RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,670
Posts: 5,429,450
Members: 24,822
Currently online: 466
Newest member: The Great Duck


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Lounges & General Chat > Miscellaneous

Miscellaneous Discussion of non-Trek topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 12 2014, 04:32 PM   #1
hxclespaulplayer
Commander
 
I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Went to the post office to pick up something this afternoon and was headed to college from there. Heading to the bus stop, I'm approached by a policeman who wanted to search my bag etc, my thoughts were "well ok, I haven't done anything wrong" - pockets emptied etc, at this stage I'm told that someone with blue hair and a red bag (which I both had) snatched someones' bag at a school (which I did go past as it's on the way to the post office). Another officer very quickly appeared and the victims' description very quickly changed to "two-toned blue hair" - basically it seemed to me that they were using my description to fit the evidence and not the other way around, so I was arrested. You can imagine me shitting myself with their whole "just admit it now and it'll make your life easier"/"stop screwing us around and give me the truth" and such.

Taken into the station, strip-searched etc, and was trying to remember whether lawyers suggest you co-operate if innocent or whether anything beyond name, address and d.o.b should be met with "no comment" for the entire interview. However I had a bit of a panic attack in the cells, which was mistaken for a heart attack, which very quickly got me out of the cell and into hospital where I was discharged, no follow-up from the police other than that they may be contacting me. I must be very fortunate to have gotten out of an interview, a charge and being bailed etc.

I can't say that I've never stolen anything in my entire life but I certainly couldn't imagine committing a crime which would impact on another person!!! Being wrongly accused of something is probably someones' worst nightmare. Any advice? Not as in legal advice of course, as I feel reasonably well-grounded, and it's probably against forum rules anyway, but what should be going on in my mind in case the whole situation turns south?
hxclespaulplayer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 12 2014, 06:15 PM   #2
think
Rear Admiral
 
think's Avatar
 
Location: outside the box
View think's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to think Send a message via AIM to think Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to think Send a message via Yahoo to think
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

hxclespaulplayer wrote: View Post
Went to the post office to pick up something this afternoon and was headed to college from there. Heading to the bus stop, I'm approached by a policeman who wanted to search my bag etc, my thoughts were "well ok, I haven't done anything wrong" - pockets emptied etc, at this stage I'm told that someone with blue hair and a red bag (which I both had) snatched someones' bag at a school (which I did go past as it's on the way to the post office). Another officer very quickly appeared and the victims' description very quickly changed to "two-toned blue hair" - basically it seemed to me that they were using my description to fit the evidence and not the other way around, so I was arrested. You can imagine me shitting myself with their whole "just admit it now and it'll make your life easier"/"stop screwing us around and give me the truth" and such.

Taken into the station, strip-searched etc, and was trying to remember whether lawyers suggest you co-operate if innocent or whether anything beyond name, address and d.o.b should be met with "no comment" for the entire interview. However I had a bit of a panic attack in the cells, which was mistaken for a heart attack, which very quickly got me out of the cell and into hospital where I was discharged, no follow-up from the police other than that they may be contacting me. I must be very fortunate to have gotten out of an interview, a charge and being bailed etc.

I can't say that I've never stolen anything in my entire life but I certainly couldn't imagine committing a crime which would impact on another person!!! Being wrongly accused of something is probably someones' worst nightmare. Any advice? Not as in legal advice of course, as I feel reasonably well-grounded, and it's probably against forum rules anyway, but what should be going on in my mind in case the whole situation turns south?
lucky If I even get accused with anything I end in a psychiatric ward for several months on the "lucky" side.. my last accused time I spent almost three months in state psych ward cause my "x-girl" friend said I rapped and beat her..,, to a female judge.. that later found out she had no bruises or anything and I had not done anything at all ,,, except bring her flowers.. and I was falsely accused right two and a half months madness beyond madness.. yet.. In there I met this revolutionary ,, from south america. mmm yeah well that is another story and a half.

(and with how these forums are patrolled by military I should not of typed or posted that ....at all...really)
__________________
I am a professional human being specializing in managing my emotions because I can barely manage anything else. Would you stop eating those things??? already?
Trek sims site @ http://www.starbase118.net
think is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 12 2014, 07:12 PM   #3
LordMudd
Lieutenant Commander
 
Location: Pasadena, TX.
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

I used to work for the 3rd largest security company in the US. They told us when we were hired that they "take care of their employees. 2 years later my partner was applying for a position with the client. We believe that a friend of an employee was also applying for the position because had that person got the job, the employee would have received a bonus. We were told that he was accused of sleeping on duty. That is the kiss of death for a security officer. Problem was, he worked 9-5, Monday thru Thursday, the busiest hours of the busiest days when it literally takes 2 officers and sometimes 3 just to keep up with what went on there, AND right under an active camera that the FSO would spend hours watching us on, so with this in mind, we asked the client "Where is the footage? If he was sleeping, there has to be footage. Where is it?" Not only did they fail to produce the footage, a week later they came in and took out the camera! The following month I was removed from the site because "any employee accused me of stealing food out of the break room refrigerator." My supervisor told me that both companies investigated and that there was "no proof, no evidence, and no witnesses." I told him and wrote in the report that I was falsely accused and that I expected a formal written apology from them. I still believe my accuser was the same person we embarrassed when we called out the other accusation, and just to show how truthful that company really is, I never got my apology, and they never reported the client's criminal activity of false accusation, libel, and malignment and defamation of character to the proper authorities for prosecution, which is by legal definition conspiracy after the fact to commit all of the above, making both companies liable now.

I think you should demand a formal written apology from them. It is your right and the worst mistake they could make would be to refuse. I would suggest a certified letter so they can't deny receiving it, and just to add insult to injury, mail it from that post office. Keep a copy of the request and if they ignore you, post it on the internet everywhere you can.

CCC.
__________________
The dirty old man of action figure customizing.
LordMudd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 12 2014, 10:46 PM   #4
Bisz
Rear Admiral
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Yesterday my coworkers accused me of not throwing out my paper plate and napkin ofter our pizza lunch celebrating a good safety month result. I had composted my plate and napkin and recycled my iced tea bottle, some ass had simply put their plate near to where I was sitting and so my coworkers had assumed it was mine.

I was very pissed to have my commitment to maintaining good 5S questioned.

Sounds like you had a worse day. I sympathize.
__________________
"In general, living kills you..."
Bisz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 02:12 AM   #5
Alidar Jarok
Everything in moderation but moderation
 
Alidar Jarok's Avatar
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

hxclespaulplayer wrote: View Post
Taken into the station, strip-searched etc, and was trying to remember whether lawyers suggest you co-operate if innocent or whether anything beyond name, address and d.o.b should be met with "no comment" for the entire interview.
To comment on this. No, you should not cooperate even if you're innocent. After all, you don't know what they're really looking for (they can lie to you about that) and they might catch you with some other crime to prosecute.

To give a cliffnotes version, there's different rules depending on whether the police have arrested you or not (I'm assuming that, once they arrest you, they read you your Miranda rights and tell you that you have a right to remain silent and all that). Prior to Miranda, not much you can do besides smile politely and not say much (besides saying that you are not answering questions). After they give you your Miranda warnings, you should say "I want a lawyer before I answer any questions" or something like that. I chose that phrasology because I've seen "can you get me [my lawyer]" (identified by name) to be seen as ambiguous because you were "only asking a question." If you ask for a lawyer, all questions will stop. If you say that you want to remain silent (or words to that effect) they're supposed to stop questioning, but they can start again after a "cooling off period."

In my experience, being polite to the officers will give you the brownie points for being cooperative. But I have clients who might not have been found guilty but are facing 5-100 years because they jumped up and helped the officer out with information. In other words, confessing isn't necessary to be cooperative.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you matched the general description, which is why you were arrested. If you were charged (which it sounds like if you were sent to jail and searched), the next step is to get a lawyer. If you can't afford one, ask for the court to provide one. If the police didn't charge you, they might eventually decide to do so. In that case, you should keep an ear out for whether or not there's an arrest warrant out for you and you might need to turn yourself in. No matter what, the thought process should be that you should get a lawyer to help you with criminal matters and, if the police ask you questions, to make it known to them that you want a lawyer.
__________________
When on Romulus, Do as the Romulans
Alidar Jarok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 04:42 AM   #6
Robert Maxwell
Not Your Toy
 
Robert Maxwell's Avatar
 
Location: A broken roof
View Robert Maxwell's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Robert Maxwell Send a message via AIM to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Yahoo to Robert Maxwell
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
__________________
It's all false love and affection
I has a blag.
Robert Maxwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 10:05 AM   #7
bbjeg
Vice Admiral
 
bbjeg's Avatar
 
Location: ˙ɐlnqǝu sıɥʇ uı ʞɔnʇS
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Sorry that you had to go through that hxclespaulplayer. You shouldn't have much to worry about. Post being wrongly accused, I wouldn't worry unless they knocked on you door later saying they proved you were guilty, which shouldn't be a problem for you.

I was wrongly accused once. It definitely didn't go as badly. I was driving down the highway and got pulled over. The officer said he saw me leave a nearby bar. That puzzled me, thinking to myself why didn't you pull "me" over then?. I denied the accusation but he still made me get out of the car and do a sobriety test on the side of the highway. I finished the night by offering to say the alphabet backwards, which he asked me to do simply to see it, chuckling at the end before letting me go.

Last edited by bbjeg; September 13 2014 at 10:20 AM.
bbjeg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 10:39 AM   #8
JoeZhang
Vice Admiral
 
JoeZhang's Avatar
 
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
I think he's from planet "made-up story" myself.
JoeZhang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 12:05 PM   #9
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

There's a possibility that your credit might have been affected.This article may shed some light on the likelihood of the prospect:

Can Posting Bail Hurt Your Credit?http://abcnews.go.com/Business/posti...ry?id=23288167
2takesfrakes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 12:23 PM   #10
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
Australians don't say "college".
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 04:40 PM   #11
Dimesdan
Rear Admiral
 
Dimesdan's Avatar
 
Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Dimesdan
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

teacake wrote: View Post
Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
Australians don't say "college".
And here a College is normally separate entity from University. I say normally as where I am studying my degree is actually a College but its Higher Education department is linked with the local University. College is normally a Further Education facility and more of a bridge between School and University.
__________________
People in third world countries are so lucky they don't have to deal with these problems. - TheGodBen

I'm on twitter now. @DimesDaniel
Dimesdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 06:17 PM   #12
Alidar Jarok
Everything in moderation but moderation
 
Alidar Jarok's Avatar
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
OK, if that's the case, ignore most of my advice except the part about consulting a lawyer.

Although I figured strip-searching was more an American thing to do.
__________________
When on Romulus, Do as the Romulans
Alidar Jarok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 07:09 PM   #13
Squiggy
LORD SHIT SUPREME
 
Squiggy's Avatar
 
Location: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
View Squiggy's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Squiggy
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

Alidar Jarok wrote: View Post
Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
The OP is not from the US. I want to say he's from the UK or Australia.
OK, if that's the case, ignore most of my advice except the part about consulting a lawyer.

Although I figured strip-searching was more an American thing to do.
Only on good days.
__________________
ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!
Squiggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 10:44 PM   #14
Robert Maxwell
Not Your Toy
 
Robert Maxwell's Avatar
 
Location: A broken roof
View Robert Maxwell's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Robert Maxwell Send a message via AIM to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Yahoo to Robert Maxwell
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

__________________
It's all false love and affection
I has a blag.
Robert Maxwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13 2014, 11:25 PM   #15
LordMudd
Lieutenant Commander
 
Location: Pasadena, TX.
Re: I was wrongly accused of commiting a crime today

I know the phraseology in the US is "innocent until proven guilty," key word being proven, so if they accuse you without producing any proof, that is slander (verbal) and/or libel (written), which is why I would want the apology, and if their actions are directly responsible for your trip to the ER, then so is their bank account, not yours and not your insurance companies, and the insurance company can probably help you there too.

CCC.
__________________
The dirty old man of action figure customizing.
LordMudd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:46 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.