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Old June 28 2015, 11:11 PM   #1
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US Bill of Rights

In honor of so-called "judicial tyranny" and political correctness, I have this little bit of eloquence:

From "Our World," Linda Ellerbee:

In the spring of 1970, in April, CBS news conducted a poll to see if people still supported the Bill of Rights. Questions were framed in terms of contemporary events. Here's one:

As long as there appears to be no clear danger of violence, do you think any group, no matter how extreme, should be allowed to organize protests against the government?

76% said no. In fact, the majority of Americans polled refused to support 5 of the 10 protections of the Bill of Rights, which is why we need a Bill of Rights. It protects the minority from the majority who, by definition, need no protection.

I'm sure that had they been asked the question, "Do you support the Bill of Rights?" those people would have said yes.

Trouble was, without the Bill, people didn't recognize the rights.
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Old June 29 2015, 12:00 AM   #2
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Yeah, I remember this report from way back.

The Bill of Rights is the legal foundation of the relationship of Americans to our government.
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Old June 29 2015, 02:00 AM   #3
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Some people seem to think that some of the rights are more valid that other, based on their own personal preferences.

Met a gentleman a few years back who insisted that the first amendment was the most important, owing to it being the first.
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Old June 29 2015, 10:04 AM   #4
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^^ I might be tempted to vote for the Ninth.

People are definitely selective in the Rights they support-- freedom of religion over freedom from religion, or the restriction against cruel and unusual punishment over the right to bear arms. Like everything else, it's all about what benefits them personally.

The Preamble and the Bill of Rights are what define American values, yet most people know nothing about either.
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Old June 29 2015, 01:53 PM   #5
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There's nothing wrong whatsoever with liking some Amendments better than others. Enough people disliking something is how things change in a democracy. I understand that the Eighteenth Amendment was really unpopular.
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Old June 29 2015, 03:26 PM   #6
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Re: US Bill of Rights

I'd rate the Third Amendment at the bottom.

Federalists believed that an enumerated bill of rights would result in people believing those were their only rights. The 9th and 10th Amendments were more or less a cop to them, signifying that we do have other rights even if they're not specifically mentioned.

Anti-Federalists believed that enumerating rights was the only way to protect them: if they aren't set in stone, an overreaching government would claim they don't exist.

Both turned out to be partially right (and partially wrong.)

Judging by how much money and effort are spent protecting them, the Second and First Amendments are clearly the most popular (or the most staunchly defended, at least.)
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Old June 29 2015, 07:50 PM   #7
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RJDiogenes wrote: View Post
^^ I might be tempted to vote for the Ninth.

People are definitely selective in the Rights they support-- freedom of religion over freedom from religion, or the restriction against cruel and unusual punishment over the right to bear arms. Like everything else, it's all about what benefits them personally.

The Preamble and the Bill of Rights are what define American values, yet most people know nothing about either.
I had to memorize the Preamble for junior high Social Studies once. Fortunately, this was in the time of Schoolhouse Rock, so I had a study aid for it on Saturday morning.
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Old June 30 2015, 10:03 AM   #8
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I first heard it on that episode of Star Trek when I was about nine. I thought it was so inspiring that I went to the library to read the whole Constitution-- needless to say I was pretty disappointed until I got to the Bill of Rights.
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Old June 30 2015, 10:28 PM   #9
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There's nothing wrong whatsoever with liking some Amendments better than others. Enough people disliking something is how things change in a democracy. I understand that the Eighteenth Amendment was really unpopular.

My opinion on this has changed over the last few years. I'm against amending the Constitution in any way that further limits people's rights. Amend it to extend protections, yes.
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Old June 30 2015, 10:30 PM   #10
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^ Absolutely. I completely agree.
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Old June 30 2015, 10:43 PM   #11
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Dennis wrote: View Post
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There's nothing wrong whatsoever with liking some Amendments better than others. Enough people disliking something is how things change in a democracy. I understand that the Eighteenth Amendment was really unpopular.

My opinion on this has changed over the last few years. I'm against amending the Constitution in any way that further limits people's rights. Amend it to extend protections, yes.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to think, if you protect minorities you limit the rights of the majority ( to discriminate ).
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Old July 1 2015, 09:54 AM   #12
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Of course it's wrong to amend the Constitution to limit rights. That's antithetical to the whole concept. And the 18th Amendment wasn't just a boneheaded idea, but it was completely inappropriate to deal with it on a Constitutional level.

What we really need is an Equal Rights Amendment that's worded in such a way that it makes discrimination impossible not just for any of the stupid ways that people divide each other up today, but for any of the stupid ways that people will think of to divide each other up in the future.

And election reform, of course.
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