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Old Yesterday, 11:39 PM   #1
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Why are there only three colors.

Seriously for much of star trek there have been only three colors.


Most confusingly tactical and engineering were combined by ops.

Medicine-Science by blue.

And command was by itself.

What I don't get is, why weren't tactical officers covered under command.


It makes sense that we have one color for support(engineering), one for research, and one for the more directly military roles.
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 PM   #2
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

In the second pilot there were five. There were four people (iirc) in gold-green, then light-sand, blue, red and green.

In later shows the color costume a actor appeared in was in part determine by simply which color they looked better in.

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Old Yesterday, 11:54 PM   #3
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

I never saw a need for more than three.

Yellow = Command/Support
Red = Engineering/Security
Blue = Science/Medical

Sometimes keeping it simple is the right move.
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Old Today, 12:03 AM   #4
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

Autistoid wrote: View Post
Seriously for much of star trek there have been only three colors.


Most confusingly tactical and engineering were combined by ops.

Medicine-Science by blue.

And command was by itself.

What I don't get is, why weren't tactical officers covered under command.


It makes sense that we have one color for support(engineering), one for research, and one for the more directly military roles.
If you go by TOS (Arena) each division/color has tactical officers. Sulu and Chekov both doubled as tactical officers on the bridge.

When tactical was combined with security the color became the operations color. Which makes some sense since there is a crossover between weapons and engineering.

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Old Today, 12:06 AM   #5
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

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In the second pilot there were five. There were four people (iirc) in gold-green, then light-sand, blue, red and green.

In later shows the color costume a actor appeared in was in part determine by simply which color they looked better in.

The red and green jumpsuits were probably intended to match the green-gold and light sand shirts.
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Old Today, 12:14 AM   #6
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

Command track has a color. Science track has a color, and all other duty has a color. Seems practical to me, and more off... uncomplicated, which is what it wouldn't be if we started having a color for each subdivision. I do think some sort of insignia, in the TNG era, to signify subdivisions could have been useful, varied combadges or pip design or something
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Old Today, 02:03 AM   #7
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

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Command track has a color. Science track has a color, and all other duty has a color. Seems practical to me, and more off... uncomplicated, which is what it wouldn't be if we started having a color for each subdivision. I do think some sort of insignia, in the TNG era, to signify subdivisions could have been useful, varied combadges or pip design or something
I think it'd make alot more sense if tactical had the same color as command.

What does command actually do, one could argue if senior level science and ops crew are allowed to be senior staff, only a very small number of people on ship should be wearing command colors.
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Old Today, 02:30 AM   #8
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

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Command track has a color. Science track has a color, and all other duty has a color. Seems practical to me, and more off... uncomplicated, which is what it wouldn't be if we started having a color for each subdivision. I do think some sort of insignia, in the TNG era, to signify subdivisions could have been useful, varied combadges or pip design or something
I think it'd make alot more sense if tactical had the same color as command.

What does command actually do, one could argue if senior level science and ops crew are allowed to be senior staff, only a very small number of people on ship should be wearing command colors.
I don't think everyone in the command division is actually part of the chain of command. The senior staff is usually the department heads, but not all are in the chain of command.

Positions usually in the Command Division are the Admiralty, the Commanding Officer, the First Officer, Helmsmen and Navigators and in the 23rd Century ordinance personnel. So yeah its probably not a big division.
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Old Today, 02:31 AM   #9
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

Though there were three divisions, the were multiple colors displayed in them during Trek's run.
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Old Today, 05:05 AM   #10
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

The monster maroons from ST2-6 have a variety of collar/strap colors in order to denote specific departments. I forget exactly, but there were like six or so different colors.

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Old Today, 05:05 AM   #11
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

Simple and easy to follow I'd say, otherwise you'd end up with a few dozen: Command, Administration, Diplomacy, Intelligence, Helm, Navigation, Shuttle Ops, Cargo Management, Transporter Control...

As for tactical not being under the "command" colour, in TOS is was, ordnance officers were in gold. Whilst the TOS movies had ordnance/tactical/weapons in the mustard colour and security in dark green. TNG blended tactical and security, which makes sense to me since both are responsible for the safety and preservation of ship and crew.
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Old Today, 05:27 AM   #12
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

The simple and boring real-life answer is that William Ware Theiss obviously based the color scheme around the three 'primary colors' of the spectrum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_color

Any particular choice for a given set of primary colors is derived from the spectral sensitivity of each of the human cone photoreceptors; three colors that fall within each of the sensitivity ranges of each of the human cone cells are red, green, and blue.
It's worth noting that Theiss' costumes were indeed Red, Green and Blue; although the greens came out more like Mustard on film (which is perfectly okay, because Red-Yellow-Blue is an alternative three primary color scheme as the Wikipedia article explains).
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

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The monster maroons from ST2-6 have a variety of collar/strap colors in order to denote specific departments. I forget exactly, but there were like six or so different colors.
Correct. White was worn by the command division. Yellow was worn by engineering and helm specialists, whereas gray was worn by science, communication and security. Red/orange was worn by cadets, and green was worn by medical personnel. Light blue was worn by civilians. I don't recall seeing any other colors during this era.

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Old Today, 08:36 AM   #14
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Re: Why are there only three colors.

TMP - Insignia Badge Colour
White = Command
Orange = Science
Red = Engineering
Grey = Security, Weapons
Yellow = Communications, Helm, Navigation
Green = Medical

TWOK+
White = Command
Mustard = Engineering, Helm, Weapons
Grey = Communications, Navigation, Science
Light Green = Medical
Dark Green = Security
Light Blue = Services (cooks, stewards, etc)
Dark Blue = Marines (?)
Red = Cadets
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