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Old April 15 2015, 10:05 PM   #1
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Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

They flat out said people don't buy and sell things on earth due to replicators. This is in 2262.

So what the hell was Kirk saying "her drinks on me" for then? Figure of speech?
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Old April 15 2015, 10:25 PM   #2
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

The comics are apocryphal. If this one was written by Orci & Co, then perhaps it could be considered deuterocanonical, at best.

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Old April 15 2015, 10:29 PM   #3
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

Easy for you to say. You're not obsessed with the era. This destroys my increasingly comfortable idea that earth was still somewhat capitalist.
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Old April 15 2015, 10:31 PM   #4
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

Or it's lies by false prophets.
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Old April 16 2015, 01:02 AM   #5
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

*headdesk* it's just a throwaway line in a comic.
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Old April 16 2015, 02:40 AM   #6
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

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So what the hell was Kirk saying "her drinks on me" for then? Figure of speech?
Is this any worse than it being stated money stopped existing in the 22nd century, but having the Enterprise characters "betting a month's wages?"

It is curious, why does everyone resist the "no money" thing, yet to this day you'll still find people defending the idea that Starfleet isn't a military, as proven by the recent thread?
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Old April 16 2015, 02:45 AM   #7
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

It's whatever they say it is this week. It changes all the time, because it's made up.
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Old April 16 2015, 05:22 AM   #8
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Replicators are kind of like Troi's empathy.

They only exist when they wouldn't mess up the story.
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Old April 16 2015, 05:37 AM   #9
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

I probably would not have found it so annoying if it were not for the fact that I could have lifted that quote an inserted it in to Picard's mouth as part of a speech and it would have fit seamlessly.

Part 1 was decent but this second part is struggling a bit, in my opinion.
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Old April 16 2015, 05:45 AM   #10
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

So what the hell was Kirk saying "her drinks on me" for then? Figure of speech?
Sort of. It is a gesture of a line to get the woman's attention. It was used for so long that the practise is still followed even if there is not currency.

That or there are acception to the rules. Alcohol being one of those things.

It wasn't a literal since her drinks were not on him nor did he seem to want her drinks to be placed on his person (Spock or Data would be puzzled by the phrase the first time they heard it).
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Old April 16 2015, 05:57 AM   #11
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

I would assume that even if the larger segment of society no longer used a currency based system, that they're would still be people who did.

Just as I assume that just because the Federation doesn't use money it would have some arrangement so that when someone from the Federation felt with someone from a culture that does use some form of currency that they have some system in place so that said Federation person who could make transactions with the person outside of the federation.

There society my not be based upon it, but that they can manage away to equate a person with a coin value, especially for when you deal outside of your own society, or even with those in your society that shun that advancement.

And clearly it isn't you can just make however much "money" you wish. because boy random traders outside of the Federation would be screwed. so there must be some system set up to regulate how much money a person can get, if they are in a situation where it would be used.
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Old April 16 2015, 06:11 AM   #12
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

I was thinking it goes back to the replicator credits idea. It's on him in the sense that he'll use his allotted amount for her drink. But it's not an exchangeable currency. Since replicators were specifically mentioned in the line, I'm now inclined to believe earths entire economy revolves around that. That's probably how it's always been since 50 years after first contact.
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Old April 16 2015, 06:27 AM   #13
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

Picard said virtually the same thing in Allegiance. He ordered ales for everybody in Ten Forward. And everyone thanked him with gratitude.

Which made little sense if it's all free to begin with

At this point, I don't know what Trek's economy is about. It's all over the place.

They refuse to have any real extended conversation about it.

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Old April 16 2015, 06:37 AM   #14
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

"Drinks on the house" or "Drinks on me" are old time phrases, used maybe for a millenia or more on Earth. Even in other languages I would gather. It remains in place even when the drinks are free. It is a gesture more than anything else.
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Old April 16 2015, 12:48 PM   #15
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Re: Oh boy...IDW just brought up the money thing again.

Dennis wrote: View Post
It's whatever they say it is this week. It changes all the time, because it's made up.
Indeed. Don't know why some people can't understand that writers can change 'history' and anything else that suits them because they're not bound by any rules. No need to get wrapped around the axle over fiction.
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