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Old January 30 2012, 01:04 AM   #1
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Opinion: Jem Hadar vs TOS/ENT Augments

Which is stronger, smarter, better killing machines?
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Old January 30 2012, 01:05 AM   #2
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What do you think?
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Old January 30 2012, 01:57 AM   #3
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I say the Wookiee.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:02 AM   #4
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Old January 30 2012, 02:04 AM   #5
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An augment, they have more brains than a Jem Hadar
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Old January 30 2012, 02:05 AM   #6
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An augment, they have more brains than a Jem Hadar
Not if Khan is anything to go by.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:06 AM   #7
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An augment, they have more brains than a Jem Hadar
Not if Khan is anything to go by.
Why's that? Khan wasn't exactly stupid...
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Old January 30 2012, 02:10 AM   #8
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Yes he was.

He was a total moron. Which is why TWOK fails as a film. But I've beaten that horse to death.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:17 AM   #9
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I want to say the Jem'Hadar, because, well, they're bred to fight/kill. However, the Jem'Hadar are nothing without the Vorta, so leaderless Jem'Hadar verses Khan Singh and his group of cronies with their "superior intellect", I would have to put my money on...

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Old January 30 2012, 02:21 AM   #10
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However, the Jem'Hadar are nothing without the Vorta,
Ramata'Klan would have a word with you. He knowingly walked strait into an ambush and still managed to display more cunning and guile than any augment ever did.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:21 AM   #11
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Re: Opinion: Jem Hadar vs TOS/ENT Augments

The "superior intellect" that apparently prevents Khan from planning more than 10 minutes in advance?
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Old January 30 2012, 02:24 AM   #12
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The "superior intellect" that apparently prevents Khan from planning more than 10 minutes in advance?

Well, seeing as how the Eugenics Wars costed 30 million lives, and Khan was a survivor, I think that speaks to his military genius. The fact that he lost to the greatest Starfleet Captain of all time says nothing.
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Yes he was.

He was a total moron. Which is why TWOK fails as a film. But I've beaten that horse to death.
Spot on.

I know we're in the minority, but I never liked Khan, or "Space Seed", or TWOK. As a villain, he just seemed LOUD AND BRASH but without the ability to plan more than half an hour ahead.

Jem'Hadar weren't exactly idiots, anyway. "One Little Ship", in particular, showed that they can be quite a bit more intelligent than one might think.

As far as fighting ability, both seem a bit overrated, and as is often the case in Trek, one species/character supposedly being "made for fighting" or having "x times the strength of a human!" doesn't really mean all that much during an actual fight.
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However, the Jem'Hadar are nothing without the Vorta,
Pretty big exaggeration.
Ramata'Klan would have a word with you. He knowingly walked strait into an ambush and still managed to display more cunning and guile than any augment ever did.
Also Omet'iklan, from "To The Death". Weyoun only thought he was keeping the secret of the gate from the First and his men, and was later killed essentially for underestimating them.
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The "superior intellect" that apparently prevents Khan from planning more than 10 minutes in advance?

Well, seeing as how the Eugenics Wars costed 30 million lives, and Khan was a survivor, I think that speaks to his military genius. The fact that he lost to the greatest Starfleet Captain of all time says nothing.
It speaks to having a backstory that makes more sense than the awful writing of his character. He acts like a buffoon with no ability to plan and a minimal ability to strategize at best. It has nothing to do with losing to Kirk specifically.
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Well, seeing as how the Eugenics Wars costed 30 million lives, and Khan was a survivor, I think that speaks to his military genius. The fact that he lost to the greatest Starfleet Captain of all time says nothing.
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