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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old February 19 2012, 08:23 AM   #1
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Aliens Soundtrack

Yes this is actually Trek movie related.

I'm watching Aliens for the first time in years, and I'm thinking how much the music sounds like the Klingon theme from TSFS (when the marines are first attacked) and in parts Khan's theme from TWOK (particularly where he takes the glove off). A quick check confirmed James Horner did indeed compose the music.

I'm not knocking it. I think the ST II & III themes are among the best scores of all time and made the movies serious and epic. And I expect a composer to leave a fingerprint of sorts. But honestly, it's approaching cut and paste at times.
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Old February 19 2012, 08:32 AM   #2
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Re: Aliens Soundtrack

Horner's music will do that. I quite like a number of his scores, but there's definitely somewhat a tendency to rip himself off. Even Avatar had some of that, though thankfully it was mostly limited to one sequence as far as I've noticed thus far.

Then again, how often was the TMP main theme cannibalized? Sigh. Its sheer reusage damaged my ability to appreciate it.
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Old February 19 2012, 08:57 AM   #3
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KarmicCurse wrote: View Post
I expect a composer to leave a fingerprint of sorts. But honestly, it's approaching cut and paste at times.
Try "Battle Beyond the Stars", "Cocoon", "Cocoon II" and "Brainstorm".

An advantage used to be, when a new ST movie was in production and a composer was suddenly announced, I could give myself some prep in the awaiting months by teasing with their previous soundtracks.
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Old February 19 2012, 10:48 AM   #4
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I thought Aliens did reuse music from STIII, or vice-versa. I remember watching Aliens (I came to both Aliens and Search for Spock years later on video) and getting really frustrated because I KNEW that music but couldn't place it!
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Old February 19 2012, 02:51 PM   #5
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James Horner is hugely overrated these days in my opinion. His constant repeating of themes gets tiresome.
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Old February 19 2012, 06:48 PM   #6
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James Horner is hugely overrated these days in my opinion. His constant repeating of themes gets tiresome.
I've always been a big fan of Horner's film scores (I literally wore out multiple audio cassettes of his TWOK score back in the day), but yeah, the first time this really slapped me in the face was when I saw Cocoon in the theater in 1985 where the music during the boat climax is note-for-note the track from TWOK where Spock works in the radiation room (what was he doing anyway? ). Probably not such a good idea to use a climactic cue from such a memorable genre film (in arguably one of the most infamous film scenes of the decade) in another fantasy film only three years later. And although the recycling of music from TWOK in TSFS (with the two films part of the same story and sharing a similar style and tone) can be understood and excused, I still call the cue where Enterprise tries to escape the Genesis device in TWOK and then from spacedock in TSFS "The Enterprise Backing Up Theme".

Anyhow, I remember reading in Starlog (in I think a reader letter) in 1982 where he was already being accused of phoning in his scores based on the similarity between his TWOK and Battle Beyond the Stars music. Guess that's just his technique (try his 48 Hrs. and Commando scores -- those also three years apart -- for another ear-opening example) but it's certainly worked for him over the years. It seems that TWOK kicked off his prolific run in the '80s when he was brought in as a quality but low-budget alternative to Goldsmith from TMP (and kudos to the TWOK production for springing for a new score to begin with; I'm still not sure where I come down on the reuse of the TMP themes in multiple films and in TNG). Based on the success of that film he got hired for a number of highly successful sci-fi/fantasy/action/horror films (maybe because, again, at the time he worked cheaper than Goldsmith and Williams, probably the main go-to composers for genre films of the period) in quite a short period of time, so some reuse of themes is probably to be expected.

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Old February 19 2012, 07:23 PM   #7
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I remember watching Die Hard and tripping out when the Aliens theme popped up out of nowhere near the end.
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Old February 19 2012, 07:39 PM   #8
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I remember watching Die Hard and tripping out when the Aliens theme popped up out of nowhere near the end.
Good ear (I didn't catch that one at the time) but Michael Kamen did Die Hard's music and IIRC that cue was an outtake from Horner's Aliens (another Fox film) score that appeared on the latter film's soundtrack album but was not heard in the movie itself. Still, it worked pretty well don't you think?
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Old February 19 2012, 07:53 PM   #9
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I think there are also a few moments where his score for Troy borrows a little from TWoK.
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Old February 19 2012, 09:03 PM   #10
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I remember watching Die Hard and tripping out when the Aliens theme popped up out of nowhere near the end.
That was tracked.

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Old February 19 2012, 09:16 PM   #11
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Even Avatar had some of that, though thankfully it was mostly limited to one sequence as far as I've noticed thus far.
Dunno, I watched A Beautiful Mind a few days after watching Avatar and I was like “now, that was familiar”. I have no idea how limited it was, but it was certainly noticeable.
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Old February 19 2012, 11:00 PM   #12
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I find Aliens very difficult to watch because of the score.

In Horner's defense, he had very little time to write the score for Aliens -- and only from an unfinished edit of the film -- and then Cameron brutally edited the score in the editing room to make Horner's cues fit the re-edited scenes.
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Old February 20 2012, 01:45 AM   #13
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I find Aliens very difficult to watch because of the score.

In Horner's defense, he had very little time to write the score for Aliens -- and only from an unfinished edit of the film -- and then Cameron brutally edited the score in the editing room to make Horner's cues fit the re-edited scenes.
Well, other composers handle little time on unfinished edits better then.
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Old February 20 2012, 02:34 AM   #14
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Re: Aliens Soundtrack

I seem to recall reading that Horner was so alienated (see what I did there?) by his experience with Aliens that he basically swore off working with Cameron again until Titanic came along. And honestly, he would have been a fool to turn that project down.

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Old February 20 2012, 12:57 PM   #15
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I seem to recall reading that Horner was so alienated (see what I did there?) by his experience with Aliens that he basically swore off working with Cameron again until Titanic came along. And honestly, he would have been a fool to turn that project down.

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No, that's actually what occurred. Horner talks about it in the documentary on the Quadrilogy box set.
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