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Old August 26 2013, 09:35 PM   #31
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Isn't it considered badform to resurrect dead threads? esp as it 18months old. I thought it was considered best to start a new thread.
I hadn't realized it's been 18 months since I first posted it. I just entered Rewind into the search box.
But if a mod wants to split any new responses off into a separate thred, feel free.
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Old August 26 2013, 11:31 PM   #32
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I completely forgot this existed. Is it a movie or a new series? It just says premier event on the Syfy site.
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Old August 27 2013, 12:09 AM   #33
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Well, actually, the pilot's called ''Rewind''.

The thriller revolves around a team of military field operatives and civilian scientists who must use untested technology to travel back in time to alter past events in order to change the future and avoid a devastating terrorist attack.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ytheNumbers%29

Will there be a big stone ring that spins the temporal vortex open?

Sound more like:

Seven Days - The Next Generation

Edited to add: Sorry, replied before reading the thread. Looks like I was beaten to the punch by A LOT of people. But yeah, not really original idea here, is it?

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Old August 27 2013, 01:42 AM   #34
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I completely forgot this existed. Is it a movie or a new series? It just says premier event on the Syfy site.
It's a 2 hr pilot movie. That didn't go to series, so this is all there is.
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Old August 27 2013, 04:13 AM   #35
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Just watched this. Actually wasn't that bad if you ignored all the "don't mess with the time stream" messing with the time stream stuff.

So, did the lead used to stunt double for Nathan Fillion? They look like they could be brothers.
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Old August 27 2013, 04:43 AM   #36
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I can see why Rewind didn't go to series. Some bits were interesting, like the support crew and their quirks, but a lot of it just didn't work very well. The driving premise was too much like Seven Days, and the specific threat to New York was too much like Heroes. I never felt there was a convincing explanation for why Roarke blew up New York just to get someone to go back in time and save his wife. Okay, they said he was insane, which is a handy excuse for things that don't happen for good reasons, but if he were actually mentally ill, that would've impaired him sufficiently that I doubt he'd ever have been granted access to the means and resources to build a nuclear weapon.

Also, why was there no effort to evacuate the city? Sure, it would've been impossible to clear out all of Manhattan in less than a day, probably, but at least they could've gotten some people down into the subways, which might've saved some of them, maybe.

There were a couple of contradictions, too. Like, the lead character is smarter than he looks and able to talk enough science to impress the scientist lady, but he doesn't recognize the obvious notes about wormholes in Roarke's journals. And back in 1929, if they can't hear a train whistle unless they're at least 9 miles from their destination, how come there's subsequently a trainyard just a couple of blocks' walk from their destination?

While some of the characters had some interesting nuances, a number of them were also a bit annoying. The scientist lady was too one-note hostile and condescending for a while, the sidekick was always doing the hero's emotional/backstory exposition for him, Matthew Bennett's military guy was too much a stock mean military guy, etc. And I didn't find the lead actors all that appealing, especially not the guy playing Knox, who was somewhat annoying. (The actress playing his estranged wife/girlfriend/whatever was lovely, though.)

Conceptually, they made a decent effort with the time-travel stuff, but I felt they had too much of a technological edge in their favor, especially that Panopticon thing, a magic machine that tells them the effects of their interventions so there's no real suspense or need for individual judgment. It's not a good idea to give your heroes too many advantages. And the actual "window" didn't quite work for me. The effect was rather unimpressive, and I found it hard to believe people could just stand around unprotected that close to the most powerful particle-accelerator stream in history (or that such a stream would just be a bunch of languidly flowing blue dots rather than searingly intense particle radiation at nearly the speed of light).

And I'm not sure how they could've sustained this as a series. How do you do a time-travel show where the heroes are trying to avoid interacting with the past as much as possible, where they're mainly brainstorming with their team in the present and treating history as just a problem to be gamed? It's too detached. And would there have been a different change every week? From the initial descriptions, I got the impression that it would be more an arc-driven thing where the whole season would be about making incremental changes to bring about a single final result. Which would've been more interesting than the Seven Days rehash they seemed to be going with instead.

So I can't disagree with the decision to pass on this pilot.
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Old August 27 2013, 05:55 AM   #37
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I never felt there was a convincing explanation for why Roarke blew up New York just to get someone to go back in time and save his wife. Okay, they said he was insane, which is a handy excuse for things that don't happen for good reasons, but if he were actually mentally ill, that would've impaired him sufficiently that I doubt he'd ever have been granted access to the means and resources to build a nuclear weapon.
I assumed that, from the set up, our heroes would wind up crossing Roarke in the past, since Roarke somehow 'sensed' hero guy was ''the One'' to set things right... But that all fell flat as the ''backstep'' veered towards saving his wife, in order to erase Roarke's motives for mass murder and destruction. Since Roarke wasn't involved in the program, and only gained knowledge of it through reports that he shouldn't have had, his reasons for doing this makes no sense. He had no assurance that the steps taken to stop him would even extend as far back as to save his wife.

While the cliffhanger ending was provocative, I agree, the premise as presented here was just too limiting. Mean Military Man obviously, was operating with info the project leaders didn't have. I'm left wondering if perhaps he-and whatever faction that he might inevitably be involved with, were responsible for aiding Roarke in order to set up the on going reasons for tracking him thru time. Who knows?
But, it was more interesting than spending another Monday night Under the Dome.
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Old August 27 2013, 07:07 AM   #38
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The part of the premise involving the facility being protected from time changes and then having the main characters re-interface with the new continuum was ill-conceived. So, what, now there are two versions of everybody in the facility? How could they just leave the facility and take over the lives of their alternate-history selves? Also, the magic computer and the building full of Johnnies-on-the-spot were over the top.

It seems that the show's premise involved the twist of finding out what the hidden purpose of the whole facility was. Had it gone to series, I would have expected some drawn-out adventure to find out what Malcolm (Matthew Bennett) was up to, perhaps something like The Event in how the mysterious details of what's really going on are progressively uncovered, instead of just a steady stream of saving the world from disasters in the mold of Seven Days. Viewers don't necessarily like being strung along, though, especially when the payoff doesn't seem to be worth it. Maybe that had something to do with it not getting picked up. The onus would certainly have been on the show's creators to come up with something truly interesting, which was only vaguely hinted at in the pilot. Perhaps that was missing.

Still, I have to rate this one much higher than shite like The Event. It was no Source Code, though.
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Old August 27 2013, 08:07 AM   #39
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Panoptican?

Was that on purpose?
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Old August 27 2013, 12:15 PM   #40
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Missed the first 30 minutes before I remembered to record, so unless SyFy puts it up on demand or something, probably not worth me trying to jump in...
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Was that David Cronenberg?
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So this is a pilot that was not picked up?
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Old August 27 2013, 01:31 PM   #43
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Was that David Cronenberg?
That's what IMDB says.
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I assumed that, from the set up, our heroes would wind up crossing Roarke in the past, since Roarke somehow 'sensed' hero guy was ''the One'' to set things right... But that all fell flat as the ''backstep'' veered towards saving his wife, in order to erase Roarke's motives for mass murder and destruction. Since Roarke wasn't involved in the program, and only gained knowledge of it through reports that he shouldn't have had, his reasons for doing this makes no sense. He had no assurance that the steps taken to stop him would even extend as far back as to save his wife.
Yeah, it just wasn't well-justified.

My initial expectation was that Roarke was setting off the nuke in order to generate the necessary energy to open a wormhole to the past, that that was the only way to do it. Although that wouldn't have explained why he did it in Manhattan or why there was a countdown timer.

Anyway, I'm just getting sick of seeing New York City or analogues thereof getting blown up or destroyed. Okay, I get it, our society is still processing 9/11, but this year in particular it seems to have reached a critical mass of crassness and excess, like it's more about trying to top previous disaster movies than about dealing with a societal trauma. I've seen NYC destroyed enough now. It's time to move on to another trope.


While the cliffhanger ending was provocative, I agree, the premise as presented here was just too limiting. Mean Military Man obviously, was operating with info the project leaders didn't have. I'm left wondering if perhaps he-and whatever faction that he might inevitably be involved with, were responsible for aiding Roarke in order to set up the on going reasons for tracking him thru time. Who knows?
What I found completely unbelievable was that they'd just leave the window unguarded. Even if they'd saved the world, they must've known the window was still active and posed a risk to the timeline, and thus it would've been under 24/7 guard. So that ending was pretty lame.


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The part of the premise involving the facility being protected from time changes and then having the main characters re-interface with the new continuum was ill-conceived. So, what, now there are two versions of everybody in the facility? How could they just leave the facility and take over the lives of their alternate-history selves?
I wondered that too. Presumably in the altered timeline, Knox would never have been arrested and recruited into Project Tik-Tok Quantum Backstep Leap in the first place, so there should be another one of him somewhere else altogether.

Also, the magic computer and the building full of Johnnies-on-the-spot were over the top.
Yeah, Keisha Castle-Hughes's character Priya was fun, but too much an example of the TV trope of the single genius character who knows everything and fills the role that a whole team of researchers would be needed to fill in reality. I could buy her being an expert in the minutiae of one period of history, but not all of them.

Speaking of history, the time rift here had the same conceptual problems as a lot of random/accidental/natural time rifts in fiction. How come the rifts only open to points in recorded human history, when that's like 0.0002% of the planet's existence? How come they're only to the past and not the future? More generally, how come they only open at the Earth's surface instead of up in the sky or underground? Most of all, how do they even track the Earth as it moves through space? Where we are right now would've been empty space 7 minutes ago, let alone 70 or 7,000 years. Primeval did a good job of averting most of these cliches except the last one, and it was never explained why the present-day anomalies only seemed to open up in England and later Vancouver. Terra Nova also averted the first trope. But Rewind pretty much embraced all the cliches without question.
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Old August 27 2013, 03:59 PM   #45
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^Technically, the window they used was underground. It just conveniently opened up on a basement.
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