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Old January 16 2012, 09:18 PM   #16
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

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"One day?" It was in The Return that the infamous "60-ish Kirk beats up 30-something Worf" scene happened.
Thanks. I was trying to block out the gory details.
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Old January 16 2012, 09:21 PM   #17
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Kirk would be good enough on a bad day to beat Worf up.
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Old January 16 2012, 09:43 PM   #18
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^ Kirk's flying kick beats any Klingon martial art. Beats it to death.
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Old January 16 2012, 10:27 PM   #19
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Worf would crumple under the air displaced ahead of Kirk's JUDO CHOP, before it even connected.
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Old January 16 2012, 10:34 PM   #20
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Worf would crumple under the air displaced ahead of Kirk's JUDO CHOP, before it even connected.
I understand Worf collapsed just watching Kirk's battle with Thelev on videotape!
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Old January 16 2012, 11:01 PM   #21
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

I gave up during Spectre, just plain lost interest. Never really liked the whole ressurection thing either. But the Ashes of Eden was okay.
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Old January 17 2012, 04:27 AM   #22
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I think Ashes of Eden was excellent--and it was a fitting "true" end to James T. Kirk's adventures in the 23rd Century--along with


The Return was pretty good--I enjoyed it a great deal. Still...I think the "attack the Borg homeworld" thing was a little hokey. So...how were they able to find the homeworld again?

Avenger was all right...but I didn't really see what was served by "revealing" that Sarek was murdered, and that Kirk has to avenge him.

The MU trilogy was pretty good--an enjoyable read...just not particularly memorable. I thought the parallel Earth "explanation", with the Preserver element, made the final book a little dull.

I haven't read the first and third book in the Totality trilogy...but I read Captain's Blood. It was all right--I like the whole mystery of "Who killed Ambassador Spock...or is he even dead?" Still, I suppose it was a little confusing because I didn't read the backstory with Norinda in the first book.
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Old January 17 2012, 05:36 PM   #23
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Thanks for the opinions so far guys seems like the books have a lot of merit. I'll at least give Ashes of Eden a try because that doesn't have Kirk's revival and is more of a final story before Kirk's role in generations and that seems pretty interesting to me. I may at some point even give the others a try even if the resurrection deal bothers me it would be a good story after all and I dont have to take it literaly to the main continuity.
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Old January 17 2012, 05:55 PM   #24
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This sounds crazy, but when I read Ashes of Eden, I felt it could have worked as a Star Trek VII if the original crew did one more.
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Old January 17 2012, 08:08 PM   #25
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This sounds crazy, but when I read Ashes of Eden, I felt it could have worked as a Star Trek VII if the original crew did one more.
I agree. Ashes of Eden was quite good as was The Return. The Shatnerverse went downhill from there.
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Old January 17 2012, 08:49 PM   #26
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By rule of thumb the books became progressively weaker with each one. But I loved them. The Ashes of Eden was great and felt the closest to spirit of the Movie era star Trek. The Return was just a heck of a lot of fun to read. Lets face it, Kirk CAN beat up anyone because he is Kirk from Star Trek. Avenger was enjoyable too. The Mirror Universe Trilogy was good but not as good as the previous trilogy. The Totality Trilogy was the weakest and a bit frustrating but nice ending to the series. The prequel Collision Course was fun too and I liked seeing Kirk's early days explored but the Villains were less interesting as was the threat.
I see these books as something like a Character series books, like spy novels, or fantasy/wizard novels. So I allow them to be larger than life and don't get too hung up on things that seem over the top. The writers try hard to tie everything together with Canon and they explore some fun unexplained canon.
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Old January 17 2012, 09:31 PM   #27
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Lets face it, Kirk CAN beat up anyone because he is Kirk from Star Trek.
Not really. Remember, Roddenberry's whole purpose with Star Trek was to get away with the cartoony, larger-than-life fantasies of most science fiction on TV and approach the genre as a naturalistic adult drama, with more grounded and human characters. Kirk wasn't supposed to be some perfect superhero, but a relatable everyman with flaws and doubts and vulnerabilities and limitations. He generally did win his fights, but often with difficulty, getting pretty beat up in the process. And there were a number of fights he didn't win. Spock totally wiped the floor with him in "This Side of Paradise" and "Amok Time." The Air Force guards took him down in "Tomorrow is Yesterday." Cloud William beat him easily in "The Omega Glory." So he wasn't some unbeatable fantasy hero.
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Old January 17 2012, 10:03 PM   #28
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don't you mean 'get away from'? not get away with....
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Old January 17 2012, 10:32 PM   #29
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^Indeed. By saying "get away with"...Chris is actually agreeing with Saul!
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Old January 17 2012, 10:45 PM   #30
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Collision Course, I really enjoyed. Much more character driven than the others, in my opinion. I am disappointed that the follow-up, Trial Run, will likely never see print.
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