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Old January 21 2012, 01:35 PM   #31
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In 14 years, it's not difficult to imagine Data's programming changing to allow the use of contractions.
But Data has never had a problem with using contractions.
It's well established in the series that Data cannot use contractions, his programming doesn't allow it. It's stated in several episodes, even though there are times (at least one) that he uses a contraction and the editors didn't catch it.
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Old January 21 2012, 05:12 PM   #32
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Uh, completely untrue. There is no episode that would make the claim that Data cannot use contractions.

Instead,

1) In "Datalore", Lore's use of a non-contracted form and other stilted patterns of speech make Wesley think Lore is Data - and Lore reinforces this false conclusion by stating that "I do use language more formally than Lore". Nothing there about Data being unable to use contractions - not even when his worst nemesis is actually doing the claiming.

2) in "The Offspring", Data is impressed at Lal's effortless command of language, stating "You have used a contraction; it is a skill my program has never mastered". Considering that Data by that time has used contractions in virtually every episode, Data's standards of "mastery" simply appear overtly strict. Data also thinks he hasn't mastered sneezing, yet is quite capable of it.

In short, the "Data cannot use contractions" is a complete urban myth, a bit like "Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet". It's something that might be part of the character, but isn't, and never was.

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Old January 21 2012, 05:20 PM   #33
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Guys, can you all stop arguing with Sheldon please?
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Old January 21 2012, 06:10 PM   #34
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Uh, completely untrue. There is no episode that would make the claim that Data cannot use contractions.
I was pretty sure there were episodes that mentioned it but I'm too lazy to go try to dig them up.

But, like all Trek, one episode often contradicted another.
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Old January 21 2012, 07:39 PM   #35
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...So, "Data cannot use contradictions" must be true because this is contradicted by not just a few, but (better still) all the episodes?

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Old January 21 2012, 08:32 PM   #36
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...So, "Data cannot use contradictions" must be true because this is contradicted by not just a few, but (better still) all the episodes?

Timo Saloniemi
Look...I'm just going by memory and from what I remember about the series, it was made known that Data couldn't use contractions (or wasn't supposed to be able to use them.) I thought it was kind of a stupid point anyway. Why would Riker bring it up in the episode if he thought Data could use contractions all the time?

Some of your posts are interesting but you seem to want everyone to accept that you are THE authority on all things Trek. Is that why you sign your name to each and every post, just to make sure people accept that "fact"?
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Old January 21 2012, 08:35 PM   #37
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Is that why you sign your name to each and every post, just to make sure people accept that "fact"?
I'd always assumed it was a form of OCD.
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Old January 21 2012, 10:01 PM   #38
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Riker to picard...."shut, that close your mouth, stop talking" WIN
Shut up! As in close your mouth and stop talking!

I love that line
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Old January 22 2012, 12:34 PM   #39
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Is that why you sign your name to each and every post, just to make sure people accept that "fact"?
I'd always assumed it was a form of OCD.
OK, OK, folks, try to avoid it becoming personal digs or it rapidly devolves into trollery.
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Old January 22 2012, 01:00 PM   #40
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What is OCD?

Is that why you sign your name to each and every post, just to make sure people accept that "fact"?
No.

Also, "fact"? It's not one of the fuzzy areas, where Trek is silly fiction and can't really be right or wrong. It's a matter of quotes. You got it 100% wrong. I pointed out what the facts (irrelevant but still irrefutable) are, although anybody could have done that. Why do you find pride in the concept of being wrong and not caring? That's positively subhuman.

Sorry, should have rephrased.

Negatively subhuman.

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Old January 22 2012, 05:16 PM   #41
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Barash looked like one of those Gray aliens we always hear about. I wonder if they intended to follow up on that.
Would have been nice, since those fellows were a subject of interest I was always into.
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Old January 22 2012, 07:10 PM   #42
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For the sake of completeness, Data mentions contractions in two scenes of The Offspring. From http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/164.htm:

LAL: I've been programmed with a listing of fourteen hundred
GUINAN: I've?
DATA: You have used a verbal contraction.
GUINAN: You said I've instead of I have.
DATA: It is a skill my programme has never mastered.
LAL: Then I will desist.
DATA: No. You have exceeded my abilities. I do not object, but I do not understand how this has occurred.
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HAFTEL: Her neural nets are laid down identically to yours?
DATA: There do seem to be some variations on the quantum level. She can use contractions. I cannot.
HAFTEL: An aberration. What have you done about this?
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Old January 22 2012, 10:58 PM   #43
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Ha, just put this one in last night. Still a very strong episode, although I can't help but wonder why there would be such a severe time lag when it was really Barash's advanced alien tech that was reading Riker's mind and not the Romulans. Especially when you consider all the other tiny details the simulation got right.

Even if Riker's memory WAS effected, you'd think the alien tech could at least improvise a few things and not be so transparently obvious.


Other observations I had:
--Wow, were those some ridiculous looking Romulan uniforms. They might have looked fairly intimidating on the viewscreen, but watching Tomalak walk around in that thing made it really hard to take him seriously.
--That was some VERY unconvincing gray they put in all the actors' hair. It's amazing to me that they couldn't have done a better job than that, and I imagine it'll only be more distracting in HD.
--Also a shame that such a great episode had to end with what looks like a kid wearing a bad Halloween costume. Would have been a much stronger ending if he remained looking like a regular kid, I think.
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Old January 30 2012, 08:20 PM   #44
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One of my favorites as well. My only critism of it is that if Barash searched Riker's mind for a woman that was important enough to him that he would have married her, it seems like Troi woud have been the obvious choice. But, that would have ruined the twist so I'm okay with it
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Old January 30 2012, 08:40 PM   #45
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HAFTEL: Her neural nets are laid down identically to yours?
DATA: There do seem to be some variations on the quantum level. She can use contractions. I cannot.
HAFTEL: An aberration. What have you done about this?

I think Timo or whatever its name is, just had a stroke
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