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Old October 18 2012, 06:43 PM   #346
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Other than the guy who's neck he broke who has Arrow killed?

I'm betting that the guy who shot Oliver on the island is Deathstroke. It makes sense since we saw his mask on the island right before Oliver got off it.

Ratings remain good:

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The CW’s Arrow stayed on target this Wednesday night, matching its premiere rating of 1.3 and besting NBC’s 8 o’clock comedy block (which averaged a 1.2).
And though the action-drama dipped 15 percent in total audience (to 3.5 million viewers), it actually rose week-to-week in both the Men 18-34 and Men 18-49 demos.
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Old October 18 2012, 06:55 PM   #347
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Well, we don't have anything confirmed, but he shoots those arrow indiscriminately, and into the chest region a bunch of times, so I'm betting he's killed more than one. Still, even if its only one, its still murder. I don't care if it was to "protect his secret", it really wasn't justified, and I do kind of hope he pays for it. Maybe not in the obvious way (geting caught and arrested) but it would be interesting if that kill comes back to haunt him (a family member getting revenge, etc).
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Old October 18 2012, 07:55 PM   #348
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It is a bit troublesome that he takes out loads of guards but leaves the actual big bad mostly intact. Granted, most of those henchmen were probably evil too, but some of them could just be Average Joe rentacops trying to put their kids through college when suddenly they took an arrow to the knee, or the shoulder, or whatever other likely to be crippling but morally acceptable in TV-land wounds they receive. If some crazy parkour dude in a hood and too much eye shadow started shooting arrows at me, I'd fire right back at him too.
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Old October 18 2012, 08:22 PM   #349
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Can someone explain to me why the bad guy will go to prison? His confession is worthless, even if it's allowed to be used in court, what jury will convict a man who "confessed" while a vigilante was threatening to murder him? He would have confessed to being Mickey Mouse in disguise under that circumstances.
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Old October 18 2012, 08:58 PM   #350
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^It's comicbook justice.

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Other than the guy who's neck he broke who has Arrow killed?
You seriously think all the thugs he's shot with those barbed, razor sharp arrows survived? Especially since we haven't had the usual qualifying piece of dialog, "it's amazing he only injured our guys, considering those arrows!"
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Old October 18 2012, 09:05 PM   #351
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Can someone explain to me why the bad guy will go to prison? His confession is worthless, even if it's allowed to be used in court, what jury will convict a man who "confessed" while a vigilante was threatening to murder him? He would have confessed to being Mickey Mouse in disguise under that circumstances.
When they change the name of the show to Law and Order: Starling City, then I'll start wondering about such things.
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Old October 18 2012, 09:36 PM   #352
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^It's comicbook justice.

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Other than the guy who's neck he broke who has Arrow killed?
You seriously think all the thugs he's shot with those barbed, razor sharp arrows survived? Especially since we haven't had the usual qualifying piece of dialog, "it's amazing he only injured our guys, considering those arrows!"
Actually, Detective Lance did use the word "injured" or something similar in regards to his first bloodbath of the episode. I took note of it because I thought they were trying to make him not look as bad.

That being said, with modern response times and antibiotics to prevent infection, I'd imagine the vast majority of arrow wounds would be survivable unless he purposely went for a head or heart shot or nicked an artery. It's not going to tumble or fragment inside your body and tear up your organs and soft tissue like a bullet would, and even most bullet wounds are survivable. I'd imagine unless he specifically went for a killshot or they didn't get rapid medical attention, almost all of the henchmen probably survived.
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Old October 18 2012, 10:07 PM   #353
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The main bad guy in the 1st episode mentioned that he put his men in the hospital.

Which makes me wonder, I haven't been shot with an arrow really, but I don't think they are supposed to knock you out like that. Well, they are probably laced with something...

Oh, and during yesterday's episode, one of the thugs fall either to his death or a really nice set of fractures and paralyisis.
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Old October 18 2012, 10:10 PM   #354
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^It's that "almost all" that still makes him a killer. They might have helped matters if they'd presented more of the henchmen types writhing in pain to show the audience they were alive instead of most of them just disappearing off camera.

Besides, we've already been presented that Ollie is willing to kill just to protect his secret, nevermind when going after someone he's actually after and their goons.
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Old October 18 2012, 10:14 PM   #355
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Oh, he's definitely a killer. I'm not disputing that. I'm just relaying what was said on the show.
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Old October 18 2012, 10:19 PM   #356
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The character in this show is being presented as an avenger, not a superhero. He's more in line with characters like the Punisher or Judge Dredd. He's not Batman despite the similar overall tone. He never made a vow to not kill, nor is his primary motivation to save lives.
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Old October 18 2012, 11:30 PM   #357
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Do we know if superpowers exist in this universe? Or is it like the Dark Knight universe where powers don't exist?
No indication so far, but they seem to be keeping to non-powered villains if that's any indication. Doesn't mean powers couldn't be introduced at a later point.

They may name drop a super powered character long before we see one. "Superman doesn't have to put up with this".
I wonder what they would do with Black Canary then?

Also, are they really going to make Speedy (Red Arrow), his sister? That just seems odd.
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Old October 18 2012, 11:33 PM   #358
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I couldn't care less about any redshirt goons he kills, they're collateral damage. He'll probably wind up going up against the Borg Queen eventually so we'll no doubt get to see if he'll stick to his code when he's aiming at his family.
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Old October 18 2012, 11:45 PM   #359
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he doesn't kill the big bads because he wants their money. Anbd poverty and jail is probably worse for these guys than death. poverty and jail with no thumbs might yet be even worse, but that's just splitting hairs.

And dadcop was screaming at the top of his lungs that Green Arrow is a murderer.

The Archer on the island is the guy in a fight to the death with Deathstroke.

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Old October 18 2012, 11:51 PM   #360
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This show really needs to give GA a nemesis like Lex was for Clark in Smallville.

GA beating up a bunch of goons isn't going to cut it.
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