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Old January 29 2012, 08:21 AM   #1
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Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

From Deathwish.

QUINN: Nothing. He's still there in the twenty fourth century. I just took the rest of us to an old hiding place of mine.
JANEWAY: Report.
KIM: Captain, there are no stars outside.
QUINN: Well, that's partially accurate. Actually, there's no universe outside.
JANEWAY: On screen. Commander?
CHAKOTAY: I'm showing a large build-up of baryonic particles.
QUINN: Perfectly normal.
TUVOK: Captain, based on our readings, it appears we've been transported back in time to the birth of the universe.
VS...

From Good Shepherd.

ENGINEER: Hello. Sorry to interrupt.
HARREN: I'm about to disprove Schlezholt's theory of multiple big bangs. Of course I had to demolish Wang's second postulate to do it.
ENGINEER: Power transfer requisition.
HARREN: You're standing in the way of cosmological history.
ENGINEER: The cosmos is sixteen billion years old. It can wait another few minutes.
HARREN: Schlezholt would thank you for the reprieve.
"Sigh."

How do you not mention in passing to a theoreticalpaleocosmologist that he'd slept through the big bang?

That's way over the line.
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Old January 29 2012, 08:25 AM   #2
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

Why wake him? The ship wouldn't survive the Big Bang. But Since Quinn took them away from there I'm sure he has tons of data to study.
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Old January 29 2012, 08:29 AM   #3
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

But that's it, not just Janeway but the entire crew, gave him six feet 0f clearance, because he's so large of an ass, that no one can be bothered talking to this SOB about any topic... In theory?
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Old January 29 2012, 08:32 AM   #4
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

In theory, he could have asked for and been given all the data taken by Voyager during their less than 1 minute their.
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Old January 29 2012, 11:51 AM   #5
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

that's if time existed before the big bang.

They may have recorded "relative" years, millennia worth of data in those minutes?

But that still doesn't, as unlikely as it seems, mean that he knew about the accumulated knowledge on the origin of everything, otherwise why would he be trying to disprove other peoples theories with competing theories when he had facts?

It's like how the church will serve no spiritual service after God shows up and says "Gotchya!"

Proof precludes faith = Proof precluds theory.
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Old January 29 2012, 11:36 PM   #6
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

It's sort of par for the course really - 7 years in the DQ and no one on the ship got married/pregnant...Janeway probably kept them in stasis on their off hours...
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Old January 29 2012, 11:41 PM   #7
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

^ BeLanna.
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Old January 29 2012, 11:46 PM   #8
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^ Wasn't a member of the Lower Decks...If you're in the Senior Staff you can have marriages, children, grandchildren etc if you're not then you can't...
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Old January 30 2012, 12:16 AM   #9
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

I don't think they were out there long enough for it to become a generational ship. Tom and B'Elanna had a child, and if the ship had been stuck out there for more time, their child would be considered the break point. I would assume, most people would think like I would, I'm not going to have a child out here who could live and die on Voyager and never see their home world. The Paris child could have been the breaking point. People may have started having children after that. And if it did happen, with Voyager's limited space and supplies, Janeway and Chakotay may have had to stop it or limit when children could be born.
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Old January 30 2012, 12:18 AM   #10
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

Voyager was rated for 200, so there'd be room for expansion as far as families, and family facilities are concerned...
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Old January 30 2012, 12:30 AM   #11
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

They could have come up with a crew exchange program to get rid of the people who wanted to settle down.
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Old January 30 2012, 12:37 AM   #12
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Would have been interesting if they'd come across other people who'd been displaced by the Caretaker...
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Old January 30 2012, 12:43 AM   #13
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

There would be some room for families, as single room would have to be joined to make room for a family (parent's bedroom, child or children's room(s), family room) space would be at a premium. Children are also a liability. They would need to trained in what to do during a Red Alert, older kids would have to start pulling their weight and learn engineering, security, piloting a starship/shuttle, medicine, bridge duty to those capable.

If Voyager had been stuck out there for ~70 years, standing orders may allow a couple 1 child and only so many could have children at 1 time. Keep a group of 10 to 15 kids of the same age allowing for species or hybrids that mature faster or slower than average on Voyager (Which would be human children from the crew we saw.) The ones that mature faster would be able to more quickly replace fallen officers.

How'd we get here from the Big Bang?
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Old January 30 2012, 12:48 AM   #14
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Re: Janeway really left the Lowerdecks Ignorant.

Weeeell: "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."

Oh wait you mean the topic? It's a fairly natural progression!

I think that they proved with Naomi and the Borg Kids that children slot fairly neatly into the ship's compliment...
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Old January 30 2012, 12:50 AM   #15
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I don't think they were out there long enough for it to become a generational ship. Tom and B'Elanna had a child, and if the ship had been stuck out there for more time, their child would be considered the break point. I would assume, most people would think like I would, I'm not going to have a child out here who could live and die on Voyager and never see their home world. The Paris child could have been the breaking point. People may have started having children after that. And if it did happen, with Voyager's limited space and supplies, Janeway and Chakotay may have had to stop it or limit when children could be born.
Next thing you're telling me is that she'd limit the spread of Borg biofirmware enhancement among the crew. She's a starship captain not a dictator, it's not like Janeway can write new law. Although shit like that and the crew is going to elect a federation council representative, who could be anyone (except Neelix) who would outrank Janeway.

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They could have come up with a crew exchange program to get rid of the people who wanted to settle down.
Janeway could have sent any one to the other Voyager in Deadlock, with Naomi, but she chose Kim. Seriously, as a Capitan would you want to replace your missing Kim or get a second Tuvok?

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Would have been interesting if they'd come across other people who'd been displaced by the Caretaker...
The 37s. No one wanted to go.

Although, no one wanting to go in seaosn one is hardly the same as no one wanting to go in season 7... Co-Neelix-OUGH!
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