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Old November 15 2013, 08:40 PM   #106
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Re: Tabulated review threads sorted by average score

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Yep: The code ends up searching Goodreads for "Star Trek What Judgements Come Ward Dilmore" in this case, and that doesn't turn up any search results. Goodreads isn't very lenient when it comes to spelling errors.
Seems to be common for book shelfing websites. With Shelfari, Amazon's version of Goodreads, it is pretty much the same. Maybe with them being sites dealing with books they just assume that their users are able to spell.
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Old November 15 2013, 08:43 PM   #107
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Yeah . I'm actually happy they're strict, because I think it's better to fall through to n/a than risk showing a score for the wrong book. Fortunately they seem to be really good at associating books with the franchise, so by including "Star Trek" in the search terms I seem to reliably get the right book even when there are others with the same title (e.g. there's multiple books named "Distant Early Warning").
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Old November 15 2013, 08:49 PM   #108
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You can actually already click of all of the column headers and sort ascending/descending . The presence of the indicator doubles as "this is the active sort column".
That's a little confusing, since I couldn't tell it was possible to toggle the other columns without the symbol being there. Maybe you could set it so that the arrow indicator is grayed out on inactive columns instead of invisible?
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Old November 15 2013, 09:20 PM   #109
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That's a little confusing, since I couldn't tell it was possible to toggle the other columns without the symbol being there. Maybe you could set it so that the arrow indicator is grayed out on inactive columns instead of invisible?
Will do, but note that it's fairly common in UIs to hide the indicator on unsorted columns to reduce visual noise. Windows Explorer, Mac OS X Finder or KDE Dolphin to name a few common file managers as examples.
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Old November 15 2013, 09:48 PM   #110
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OK, done: The headers of unsorted columns now display a subdued indeterminate sorting indicator.
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Old November 15 2013, 10:12 PM   #111
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^Thanks.

Interesting... My three listed books are all grouped together in the TrekBBS rankings, but Watching the Clock is well above the others on the Goodreads ranking.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:02 PM   #112
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Seeing Christopher mentioning that only three of his novels are in the listing made me realize that we never really got the "classic review threads" going to fill up the table, as we planned in the beginning.

I think I will look through some of my old review and choose a book to start a review thread about, probably one of Christopher's older books.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:16 PM   #113
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Aye, sounds good . I have the Vanguard set to complete as well, but no time for it right now (and this weekend there's another The Fall entry to post already).

Also, I've gotten in touch with our esteemed mod trampledamage and we've got a typo fix for What Judg(e)ments Come in the works, then the Goodreads scores will be complete.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:50 PM   #114
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I've posted a review thread for Ex Machina.
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Old November 16 2013, 04:17 AM   #115
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Hah, Sho, thanks for including this. Really interesting differences. Especially interesting to me is Voyager - the BBS (correctly) prefers Children of the Storm to all the rest, but at Goodreads, Children is third out of the VOY novels, beat by Eternal Tide and Unworthy. Weird.
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Old November 16 2013, 05:40 AM   #116
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The thing I find weird is that a lot of the higher rated books have lower ratings on Goodreads, but at the same time a lot of the lower rating books have higher scores on Goodreads. For example, Seize the Fire, the lowest rated book on the BBS has a 2.66 on the BBS and a 3.52 on Goodreads, while the BBS's highest rated book, Reap the Whirlwind has a 4.73 on the BBS, and a 4.14 on Goodreads.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:13 PM   #117
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JD, as I pointed out, goodreads star rating system has descriptions that don't quite match those here. There's really only one rating that a person might think was "bad" and that would be 1-star. On the flip side, when the goodreads audience has a larger selection of written works to compare against, how many of them are truly "amazing" works of art? The BBS is more likely to rate something "Outstanding" because a novel might be outstanding for a Trek novel. But hardly any of the Trek novels I've come across would compare to the great works of literary art in the wider world that goodreads has in comparison. (Not that they must in order to be enjoyable, but hopefully you see my point.)
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Old November 16 2013, 04:54 PM   #118
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I think I will try to post "classic review threads" on a regular basis, rotating through the series.

So what does the hive mind think would be a good rhythm to post them? Weekly? Every two weeks? Monthly?
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Old November 16 2013, 05:12 PM   #119
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I think weekly might be just a tad too fast if we want to give threads enough time to dwell on the first page to garner a respectable amount of votes. Every two weeks, perhaps?
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Old November 16 2013, 11:11 PM   #120
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^Yeah, seems reasonable.

Anyway, I had a little fun with the numbers in the table (taken around 10:30pm CET) and basically just ranked them according to their rating for both sources.

The biggest differences are:

Revelation and Dust (Difference: 45 positions)
Goodreads #1
TrekBBS #46

In Tempests Wake (Difference: 34 positions)
Goodreads #19
TrekBBS #53

Blind Man's Bluff (Difference: 32 positions)
Goodreads #23
TrekBBS #55

About half of the books fall within a difference of 5 places, with only one having the exact same rank in both lists (Devil's Bargain; 57th in both lists).
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