sf/f TV development news - 2013

[RJDiogenes]

sojourner wrote:

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See, pre hyphen and post hyphen here are in conflict. At what point does "being inspired" cross over into "using ideas"? What's wrong with using ideas as a jumping off point?

Nothing is wrong with using them as a jumping off point-- that's being inspired by them. What I'm talking about it using them as they are.

Ever heard the saying "good artists borrow, great artists steal"?

Sure. It's funny, but it's not true.

BTW, I'm curious, what type of stuff have you written?

Mostly short fiction and poetry. In terms of genres? Pretty much everything, even a bit of mainstream.

[sojourner]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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Sure. It's funny, but it's not true.

Seriously? got any proof it's not?

Mostly short fiction and poetry. In terms of genres? Pretty much everything, even a bit of mainstream.

Who's your publisher?

[RJDiogenes]

sojourner wrote:

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Seriously? got any proof it's not?

I don't need any.

Who's your publisher?

Lulu, Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

[sojourner]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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I don't need any.

So you're just making shit up?

Lulu, Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

So, you don't have a publisher in the traditional form. Just self published. How's that workin' out for ya?

[Greg Cox]

Getting the thread back on track, is anybody else having trouble keeping Defiance and Revolution straight, just because of the similar titles?

God help us if somebody greenlights a show called "Rebellion" . . . .

[Jeff O'Connor]

Er, ignore this. I somehow missed the point of your post.

[Temis the Vorta]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Getting the thread back on track, is anybody else having trouble keeping Defiance and Revolution straight

No, but if Defender gets greenlit, I'm definitely going to get that mixed up with Defiance all the time.

Josh Whedon to develop Avengers show for ABC.

So, Namor anyone?

If I had my choice, I'd opt for a WWII era series on the adventures of Cap and Bucky, even at the cost of having to recast Cap with an Evans look-alike. For Bucky, Sebastian Stan would be available since Political Animals is pretty much toast in the ratings and Once Upon a Time won't keep him busy with his recurring role.

[JD]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Getting the thread back on track, is anybody else having trouble keeping Defiance and Revolution straight, just because of the similar titles?

God help us if somebody greenlights a show called "Rebellion" . . . .

I honestly hadn't noticed the similarity in the titles before.

[sojourner]

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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For Bucky, Sebastian Stan would be available since Political Animals is pretty much toast in the ratings and Once Upon a Time won't keep him busy with his recurring role.

Never mind the fact that Political Animals is a limited run series to begin with.

[Harvey]

sojourner wrote:

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Never mind the fact that Political Animals is a limited run series to begin with.

USA was eyeing it to be a regular series, though -- if the ratings were there. They weren't.

[RJDiogenes]

sojourner wrote:

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So you're just making shit up?

Uh, no. You're the one who made the assertion, so the burden of proof is on you.

So, you don't have a publisher in the traditional form. Just self published. How's that workin' out for ya?

Pretty well, thanks. This is a great time for independent creators and always getting better (just ask Chris Mihm ). The problem is advertising, of course, but I've sold a decent number of copies in at least six or seven countries and gotten great feedback from my readers. Also, being an independent creator has put me in touch with other independent creators, from writers to artists to filmmakers to rock'n'roll musicians, so I'm experiencing a lot of great stuff that's bypassed the suit-and-tie filter.

[Temis the Vorta]

sojourner wrote:

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Never mind the fact that Political Animals is a limited run series to begin with.

Right, like USA would ignore killer ratings and not extend the series if they could. Why else is the plot line being set up for a multiyear arc, with Elaine challenging the President? It's stunningly obvious what their real plan was, and their crappy ratings scuttled it.

And since we all talking about RJDiogenes' artistic endeavors now, I'm curious. Where can I get a sample of your stuff and of course the first chapter is free, right?

Self publishing is one of those areas that seem to be burgeoning in all directions now, parallel to YouTube and freemium games where the revenue stream is based in virtual goods. The problem for all such producers is exactly what you're running into - building awareness. As the corporate barriers for publishing books, games, etc fall down, the sheer volume of content creates another barrier - the need for filtering and matching content with a consumers' interests.

[sojourner]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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Uh, no. You're the one who made the assertion, so the burden of proof is on you.

The existence of every form of remake and retelling over the past 100,000 years IS my proof. Writers, musicians, artists, architects, Hollywood, Samsung, Sony, Apple, the list goes on and on of people re-using ideas. Some out right copying while others make them their own.

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Great artists are the ones that good artists steal from, because they're the ones who create original works. It's just that lesser artists outnumber the great ones by orders of magnitude.

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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And since we all talking about RJDiogenes' artistic endeavors now, I'm curious. Where can I get a sample of your stuff and of course the first chapter is free, right?

Thanks for your interest. Unfortunately, there's no free chapters, but my e-book is only 99 cents; it's available for the Nook and Kindle. Also, if you search for "Rick Hutchins" on Google Books, you can see some excerpts from my paperbacks Large In Time, The RH Factor and King of the Zombies. My deviantArt and YouTube pages are free, of course, and the links are in my sig.

Self publishing is one of those areas that seem to be burgeoning in all directions now, parallel to YouTube and freemium games where the revenue stream is based in virtual goods. The problem for all such producers is exactly what you're running into - building awareness. As the corporate barriers for publishing books, games, etc fall down, the sheer volume of content creates another barrier - the need for filtering and matching content with a consumers' interests.

That's exactly it. Advertising is expensive and what I've attempted hasn't been worth the expense. Even the ad in Weird Tales didn't do that much. I'm thinking about trying a couple of other niche publications later this year.

[sojourner]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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^^ Great artists are the ones that good artists steal from, because they're the ones who create original works. It's just that lesser artists outnumber the great ones by orders of magnitude.

Even the great artists steal/are influenced by previous artists. Especially in fiction. There is no plot that hasn't been used before.