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Old December 10 2013, 09:17 PM   #2746
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Could be interesting...
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Old December 11 2013, 10:35 AM   #2747
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Sounds like Adam Link.

I get a kick out of Io9 being so damn happy that actual horror is back on Sciffy.
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Old December 11 2013, 10:41 PM   #2748
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It's sad when something sf/f/horror being on Syfy is actually noteworthy. Luckily they do seem to be working on actually getting more scripted stuff on there the last few seasons. Helix, Bitten, and The Almighty Johnsons are some of my most anticipated new TV shows next year and they are all on Syfy.
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Old December 11 2013, 11:08 PM   #2749
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It's sad when something sf/f/horror being on Syfy is actually noteworthy.
That's hyperbole. Syfy doesn't have a lot of scripted shows, but I can't think of a time when there hasn't been anything that was legitimately SF or fantasy. Of course the Stargate franchise ran on the network for seven years. Eureka was definitely science fiction -- it was fiction about scientists solving scientific problems, albeit usually fanciful ones (though the science got a lot more solid in the last 2-3 seasons, depending on how you count them). Alphas was transhumanist-ish science fiction. Warehouse 13 is indisputably fantasy, though of the sort that would be called "urban" or maybe "magic realist" if you stretched the term. Continuum and Defiance are solidly SF, Lost Girl is solidly supernatural fantasy, and Being Human is solidly fantasy-horror.
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Old December 11 2013, 11:21 PM   #2750
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I didn't mean to say that they don't have any SF/F shows on there, it just seems like their starting to be outnumbered by the reality shows.
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Old December 12 2013, 02:22 AM   #2751
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I didn't mean to say that they don't have any SF/F shows on there, it just seems like their starting to be outnumbered by the reality shows.
Well, that's true of most networks today. It's an unfortunate fact of life, since "reality" shows are cheaper to make and inexplicably popular, so as long as a network is dependent on advertising revenues to stay in business, it really has no choice but to air them. The bitter truth is that the reality shows and the stupid Saturday monster movies and the wrestling are what pay for the scripted dramas. We don't have to watch the other stuff, but we wouldn't have the good stuff without it.
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Old December 12 2013, 10:44 AM   #2752
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^^ Well, there's nothing wrong with funky B-Movies. It's okay to have some fun.

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Syfy doesn't have a lot of scripted shows, but I can't think of a time when there hasn't been anything that was legitimately SF or fantasy.
That was actually my point-- that they're cheering for Horror on what is called an SF channel. I wonder if they would cheer for an SF show on Chiller channel.
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Old December 13 2013, 12:55 AM   #2753
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Most horror of this kind is pretty much sci-fi, so I don't really see the problem. It seems to me that a lot of horror could also be categorized as fantasy and/or sci-fi.
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Old December 13 2013, 12:59 AM   #2754
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"Sci-fi" has always been a broader term than "science fiction," because it's a term that comes mainly from the mass media, and the mass media have always blurred the lines between the various speculative genres quite freely. So "sci-fi" implicitly encompasses works that shade over into horror or fantasy.
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Old December 13 2013, 10:59 AM   #2755
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Exactly. It's a mass media term-- it represents the lowest common denominator. It's like "irregardless." It's wrong, but it's come to be accepted because of general low standards.
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Old December 13 2013, 12:47 PM   #2756
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Teh wiki has this to say:

Forrest J Ackerman used the term sci-fi (analogous to the then-trendy "hi-fi") at UCLA in 1954.[43] As science fiction entered popular culture, writers and fans active in the field came to associate the term with low-budget, low-tech "B-movies" and with low-quality pulp science fiction.[44][45][46] By the 1970s, critics within the field such as Terry Carr and Damon Knight were using sci-fi to distinguish hack-work from serious science fiction,[47] and around 1978, Susan Wood and others introduced the pronunciation "skiffy". Peter Nicholls writes that "SF" (or "sf") is "the preferred abbreviation within the community of sf writers and readers".[48] David Langford's monthly fanzine Ansible includes a regular section "As Others See Us" which offers numerous examples of "sci-fi" being used in a pejorative sense by people outside the genre.[49]
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Old December 13 2013, 02:43 PM   #2757
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True, for a long time it was considered pejorative by those within the prose SF field. But it seems to have lost that stigma more recently as the genre has gained more mainstream acceptance. I'm referring more to my perception of how people in the mainstream have used it over the decades. The general public, network and studio execs, video stores and bookstores, etc. have long had a habit of assigning the label "sci-fi" to encompass all speculative fiction, including SF, fantasy, horror, superheroes, and whatnot. And as I said, there are countless mass-media works that blur the line between SF and fantasy, like Star Wars (which is a sword-and-sorcery fairy tale dressed up with outer-space trappings) or superhero comics (Superman is an alien from another planet, but he's vulnerable to magic and he hangs out with an Amazon princess molded from clay and imbued with life by the Greek gods).

I used to share the view that "sci-fi" was a derogatory label and resisted its use, but I've come to see it from more a descriptivist point of view -- acknowledging how people in general actually use the term, rather than trying to prescribe a single view of how it "should" be (or not be) used.
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Old December 13 2013, 06:20 PM   #2758
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I use the term because its quicker to write.
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Old December 13 2013, 06:25 PM   #2759
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"SF" is even quicker, though.
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I prefer I prefer Sci-Fi/SF/F/H/UF/MG. I find it just rolls off the tongue.
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