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Old April 6 2013, 02:41 PM   #2251
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Of course a 2-sentence summary is not going to represent the entire concept. And of course they're not going to want to give away too many details in the initial press release. So don't mistake deliberate vagueness in the initial publicity for actual vagueness in the creative process.
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Old April 6 2013, 04:53 PM   #2252
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I think the deal there is that a meteorite really brought down the plane but the government thinks it was a terrorist attack. This stuff is written by PR hacks so they may be somewhat off in describing the premise. The original description for Revolution said that all forms of energy stopped working which isn't the case since people are still alive and fires still ignite.
I think they mean all forms of electricity. Fire is another element. The supernatural though is capable of making things that must work not work and things that don't work or shouldn't work, work. See King's 'The Langoliers' for fire that doesn't work. But let's face it, JJ doesn't know what he's doing or not doing, so.. as evidenced by Lost and Fringe.
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Old April 6 2013, 05:17 PM   #2253
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Yeah, because Lost and Fringe were canceled after half a season. Oh wait, they weren't. And of course JJ's involvement in both was pretty limited after the initial launches.
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Old April 6 2013, 06:50 PM   #2254
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Enterprise is Great wrote: View Post
I think the deal there is that a meteorite really brought down the plane but the government thinks it was a terrorist attack. This stuff is written by PR hacks so they may be somewhat off in describing the premise. The original description for Revolution said that all forms of energy stopped working which isn't the case since people are still alive and fires still ignite.
I posted that description because I enjoy incoherent series descriptions. We'll find out eventually what they really mean - assuming the show goes to series.
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Old April 6 2013, 10:36 PM   #2255
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It's April, spring is in the air and broadcast pilot buzz has begun. Just focusing on the genre stuff (cuz everything else is completely boring), here's the rundown so far.

ABC
S.H.I.E.L.D. - considered a lock
Big Thunder, Gothica - contenders
The Returned - dark horse

FOX
Sleepy Hollow - contender
Inhuman* - possible
Delirium - nothing yet
*Not sure if that's the final name - that's the JJ Abrams robot cop show.

CBS
Intelligence - contender

NBC
The Sixth Gun - early front runner
Believe - contender
Wonderland, Bloodline - nothing yet

CW
The Originals - considered a lock
The 100, Oxygen, The Selection - contenders
The Tomorrow People - nothing yet

My horses this year are S.H.I.E.L.D., Inhuman, The Sixth Gun and Oxygen (terrible title, I hope they change it). Hopefully me rooting for them won't be the jinx it usually is.

Anyone else want to pick their ponies? Descriptions can be found here.

To gauge how accurate last years' April buzz was, check this out.

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Old April 8 2013, 01:18 AM   #2256
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Yeah, because Lost and Fringe were canceled after half a season. Oh wait, they weren't. And of course JJ's involvement in both was pretty limited after the initial launches.
I'm not even sure how involved he is with Revolution. As far as I know Supernatural creator Eric Kripke is the showrunner, and I don't think I've really heard JJ Abrams mentioned very much anymore. In fact I don't know if he's ever really been that involved in the story or world building, pretty much everything I've read discussing them seems to indicate it is Kripke coming up with the majority of the stuff.
Other than the beginning of Lost, I don't think he's been very involved with the creative aspects of any of the show's he's produced the last few seasons.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:45 AM   #2257
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Other than the beginning of Lost, I don't think he's been very involved with the creative aspects of any of the show's he's produced the last few seasons.
He did write and/or direct a few Fringe episodes, but not many. For the most part, these days his personal focus is on movies, and while he may co-develop Bad Robot's shows and often co-write or direct their pilots, he's not the main creative force behind them anymore. It's just that his production company makes them.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:55 AM   #2258
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Yea, that's because he has no idea what they're about really, and once again we get another guy that didn't really like Trek or TOS and didn't know those characters and in the hands of his hired guns. I think my plumber can do that. He's just a hideously clever uber nerd bloviating on one topic to the next without any real plan or anything behind him except mindless insideous writers all because he's a popular son of a suit.
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Old April 8 2013, 03:04 AM   #2259
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Yea, that's because he has no idea what they're about really, and once again we get another guy that didn't really like Trek or TOS and didn't know those characters and in the hands of his hired guns. I think my plumber can do that. He's just a hideously clever uber nerd bloviating on one topic to the next without any real plan or anything behind him except mindless insideous writers all because he's a popular son of a suit.
No, it means he's an in demand director and producer. He's in demand because he's successful.

Liking and knowing Trek and TOS is no guaranty of success and quality. Though, not all the "hired guns" at Bad Robot are unfamiliar with TOS and Trek and I'm pretty sure the "hired guns" who worked for Gene Roddenberry on TOS didn't know the characters either. Back then hire guns made up the bulk of a TV shows writers.

You complaining about someone bloviating is the height of irony. You've often demonstrated a complete lack of understand of the writing process, television production and the film industry, yet will go on and on about them in an endless stream of nonsense.

Again, his "popularity" is based on success not being a "son of a suit", what ever that is.
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Old April 8 2013, 03:37 AM   #2260
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Liking and knowing Trek and TOS is no guaranty of success and quality.
Right. It's common knowledge that Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer weren't that familiar with Trek before making The Wrath of Khan, and while I'm not crazy about that one, most people consider it one of the best Trek movies ever. And of course you can go on Fanfiction.net and find countless people who love Trek passionately and know its minutiae intimately but whose stories are still utter crap. So the notion that there's any correlation between one's love for Trek and the quality of one's writing is just plain silly.


Though, not all the "hired guns" at Bad Robot are unfamiliar with TOS and Trek
Indeed not. Roberto Orci is a devout fan and Damon Lindelof is a moderate-to-strong fan, and I think Alex Kurtzman is moderately familiar with it. The strength of Abrams's "Supreme Court" is that it includes a whole range of perspectives from devoted fan to disinterested outsider, which helps them craft movies that work for audiences at both ends of that same spectrum.


and I'm pretty sure the "hired guns" who worked for Gene Roddenberry on TOS didn't know the characters either. Back then hire guns made up the bulk of a TV shows writers.
Again, absolutely right. You don't need prior familiarity with a subject to write a good story about it, because there is a thing called research that writers do all the time. If you need to write about a subject you're not familiar with, you study up and learn what you need to know. TV series have documents called writers' bibles whose purpose is to familiarize freelance writers with the basics of a show. Often freelancers are given copies of episode scripts or sent videos of sample episodes so they can get a feel for the show's format and style, character voices, etc.

And of course the show's own writing staff rewrites freelance scripts to make them fit the characters and continuity better. On TOS, Roddenberry himself rewrote the scripts to give them a consistent style and continuity -- which is why there was more out-of-character writing in the third season when Roddenberry stopped participating directly in the production.

Again, his "popularity" is based on success not being a "son of a suit", what ever that is.
I suppose he's referring to the fact that both of Abrams's parents are or were producers of TV movies. But of course you're right -- it's nonsense to think that that alone would make him popular. After all, the viewing audience doesn't care (or even know, for the most part) who his parents were, they just care whether they like his shows/movies or not. And lots of people do like them.
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Old April 8 2013, 08:25 PM   #2261
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Here's some news that has broader implications for genre TV and TV as a whole. The beginning of the end for ad-supported TV? (AKA, Firefly's revenge.)

This would be a nuclear option for News Corp, which owns 27 TV stations and serves dozens of affiliates. But the company COO’s threat to take Fox off the public airwaves — made today at the NAB annual confab in Las Vegas — suggests how deeply concerned broadcast moguls are about the possibility that they might lose their legal battle against Aereo, and how much that could undermine their ability to extract retransmission consent fees from cable and satellite providers.

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Bernstein Research analyst Todd Juenger says that the economics of ditching local TV are “seductive.” Fox theoretically could benefit by allowing the FCC to auction off its stations’ airwave spectrum to wireless broadband providers; the agency says it will share proceeds with stations that participate.
Aereo or no aereo, the writing is on the wall. Ad-supported TV is losing its struggle to compete with cable and streaming, which have the advantage of subscription revenues and the luxury of catering to niche tastes. Firefly was the future, ya dopes!

Maybe he's just crying and bluffing now, but this isn't the end of the story.
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Old April 8 2013, 08:49 PM   #2262
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Looks like Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell has found co-pro partners and is going in to production this summer as a 7 part mini-series. Funding between BBC, BBC America, Screen Yorkshire and Space, with filming taking part in Canada and Yorkshire.
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JONATHAN STRANGE & MR NORRELL is going into pre-production this month with a world class production team and international co-producers in place, brokered by FAR MOOR MEDIA. The carefully constructed team now in place are: ENDEMOL WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION, BBC AMERICA, Bell Media's SPACE and SCREEN YORKSHIRE, along with production companies CUBA PICTURES, FEEL FILMS,Quebec'sCITÉ AMÉRIQUE and co-production specialist FAR MOOR. The seven part series for BBC ONE is based on the bestselling novel by Susanna Clarke, set during the Napoleonic Wars in an England where magic once existed and is about to return.
In the growing international industry of high end scripted drama, FAR MOOR have secured the major international co-production team to enable JONATHAN STRANGE & MR NORRELL to have the best possible financial grounding for a production worldwide.
Peter Harness (Wallander starring Kenneth Brannagh; Is Anybody There? starring Michael Caine and David Morrissey) is adapting all seven episodes of JONATHAN STRANGE & MR NORRELL.
Nick Marston CEO of Cuba Pictures says: "The production has now developed into a seven part series and we are delighted that scriptwriter Peter Harness is well on the way to completing all seven hours. He has just delivered episode five and, with Toby Haynes on board to direct, we are in an excellent position to begin pre-production later this month, with production due to start filming in late summer."
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Old April 8 2013, 09:09 PM   #2263
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Yeah, because Lost and Fringe were canceled after half a season. Oh wait, they weren't. And of course JJ's involvement in both was pretty limited after the initial launches.
I'm not even sure how involved he is with Revolution. As far as I know Supernatural creator Eric Kripke is the showrunner, and I don't think I've really heard JJ Abrams mentioned very much anymore. In fact I don't know if he's ever really been that involved in the story or world building, pretty much everything I've read discussing them seems to indicate it is Kripke coming up with the majority of the stuff.
Other than the beginning of Lost, I don't think he's been very involved with the creative aspects of any of the show's he's produced the last few seasons.
The thing is, JJ is one of those rare people who can assemble a great team, express his "vision", and establish the mechanism(s) to translate that vision without having to micro-manage it like, say, J. Michael did on Babylon 5.
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Old April 8 2013, 09:28 PM   #2264
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^Although these days, a lot of what Bad Robot does is to help get other people's visions on the air. Person of Interest is Jonathan Nolan's show top to bottom, Revolution is Eric Kripke's. Abrams has become an executive who bankrolls and produces other people's creations alongside making his own -- much like Spielberg before him. (I remember that back in the '80s, a lot of people assumed that Gremlins and Back to the Future and Young Sherlock Holmes were Spielberg films, because Spielberg's name was more familiar at the time than Joe Dante's or Robert Zemeckis's or Barry Levinson's, and when people saw him listed as executive producer, they just assumed he was the director/auteur as well -- although of course it didn't help that the advertising played up Spielberg's name to get people into the theater. Now much the same thing seems to be happening with Abrams.)
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Old April 8 2013, 10:27 PM   #2265
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Abrams' involvement in a project means nothing to me. I loved Lost, didn't give a flip about Alcatraz, don't see what the two had in common other than being generally genre and Jorge Garcia. Person of Interest is even further afield, it's very much a CBS show, therefore not to my taste. Ditto for his movies, love one, hate the next one, etc.

He's not a brand-name in the sense that you can tell that his name = yes it will be great or no it will suck. So his involvement with Inhuman or Human or whatever they're calling it doesn't make any difference. But I do like the premise and the cast.
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