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Old October 10 2012, 11:53 PM   #1696
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And the same applies to authors, of course. How do you categorize authors like Tim Powers or Graham Joyce, or even Ellison, Leiber, Matheson, Sturgeon, etcetera?

But I suppose we're digressing a bit from "tv development news," so let's just note that sf, fantasy, and horror have blurred together on TV since the glory days of The Twilight Zone . . . .
Matheson was primarily a horror writer.
I feel obliged to point out that Richard is still in the present tense. He's currently developing a Broadway musical version of Somewhere in Time and his last novel, Other Kingdoms, was published just last year.

(It's an historical fantasy-romance with horror elements.)

Matheson is hard to classify. Yes, I've certainly described him as "the grand master of horror and suspense" when it fit the book, but he's also written westerns, a very good novel about World War II, some metaphysical stuff, and even a fair amount of science fiction, including such stories as "Third from the Sun," "The Invaders," and "Steel." (I think robot boxers qualifies as scifi!)

For the record, he stubbornly resists being labeled a horror writer . . . even though I still slap Stephen King quotes on most of his covers.
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Old October 11 2012, 11:50 AM   #1697
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^^^Good for him...but my ghoulish burial alive of him is fittingly horrific.

(And the horror novel whose title I inexplicably omitted was of course I Am Legend.)

Isn't a romance/horror hybrid a Gothic?
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Old October 11 2012, 12:43 PM   #1698
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My classical station plays the better sort of movie scores - John Williams, LOTR etc - largely because the listeners approve of that kind of expansion of the definition of "classical music."

I used to listen to a classical music station that switched to jazz in the evenings. And I wouldn't mind if they started playing minimalism like Philip Glass, who certainly deserved to be counted as a serious, not pop, musician. (But I know the guy's stuff is not universally liked.)

For me, classical, jazz, minimalism and the best movie scores all fall under the same general category of "serious music." So I can easily see how someone might lump horror, sci fi and fantasy together without worrying too much about boundaries.
I can see a horror/fantasy channel that utilizes elements of sci-fi but a sci-fi channel should try to keep sci-fi separate from jazz and hip hop. Integrity of the material and the programming standards (discretion) like the pirahnnas and mutant sharks.
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Old October 11 2012, 02:13 PM   #1699
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My classical station plays the better sort of movie scores - John Williams, LOTR etc - largely because the listeners approve of that kind of expansion of the definition of "classical music."

I used to listen to a classical music station that switched to jazz in the evenings. And I wouldn't mind if they started playing minimalism like Philip Glass, who certainly deserved to be counted as a serious, not pop, musician. (But I know the guy's stuff is not universally liked.)

For me, classical, jazz, minimalism and the best movie scores all fall under the same general category of "serious music." So I can easily see how someone might lump horror, sci fi and fantasy together without worrying too much about boundaries.
I can see a horror/fantasy channel that utilizes elements of sci-fi but a sci-fi channel should try to keep sci-fi separate from jazz and hip hop. Integrity of the material and the programming standards (discretion) like the pirahnnas and mutant sharks.
See, you slipped and proved the point against yourself there. Once you start talking mutant sharks, you put a scientific gloss over it and it becomes science fiction.
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Old October 11 2012, 02:35 PM   #1700
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I can see a horror/fantasy channel that utilizes elements of sci-fi but a sci-fi channel should try to keep sci-fi separate from jazz and hip hop. Integrity of the material and the programming standards (discretion) like the pirahnnas and mutant sharks.
Okay, what about ALIEN and its sequels? Heck, most of the classic scifi films of the 1950s had strong horror elements: THE THING, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, THEM!, THE FLY, IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE, THE BLOB, etc.

Scifi and horror have been bound at the hip since the days of Mary Shelley and H. G. Wells. What about THE ISLAND OF DOCTOR MOREAU and THE INVISIBLE MAN? Or the blood-sucking Martians in THE WAR OF THE WORLDS or the cannibalistic Morlocks in the THE TIME MACHINE . . . ?
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Old October 11 2012, 03:37 PM   #1701
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Those are all horror to me. I was just watching Starship Troopers, my favorite sci-fi film and even it's end degenerated into gratuitous horror instead of smart sci-fi. Did we learn anything about the bugs or ourselves in the end? No. i would like to rewrite that ending to be more thought provoking, thoughtful and insightful. I guess it's a matter of intent and the disgression of the programmers of sy-fy, etc.. Once again though we're talking about the lowest common denominator (demon eater) here $ and ratings.
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Old October 11 2012, 03:44 PM   #1702
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Isn't a romance/horror hybrid a Gothic?
Often, yes, but Other Kingdoms doesn't really fit that template. The protagonist and POV character is a wounded WW I vet, not an ingenue, and the plot doesn't play out like a traditional Gothic.

It's more of a twisted love triangle between a soldier, a witch, and a sexy fairy princess.

(That being said, I did ask Richard to delete one scene which I thought was too horrific for this particular book. It was indeed at odds with the overall tone of the story.)
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Old October 11 2012, 05:08 PM   #1703
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Mockingbird Lane news.

...looks like he series is dead but we'll see the pilot soon, sometime around Halloween.
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Old October 11 2012, 05:23 PM   #1704
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Titus Welliver To Co-Star In ‘Last Ship’ Pilot

Veteran character actor Titus Welliver (Lost, Sons Of Anarchy, The Good Wife) has been cast in TNT‘s action drama pilot The Last Ship, executive produced by Michael Bay. Jonathan Mostow is set to direct the pilot written by Hank Steinberg and Steven Kane. Based on the novel by William Brinkley, The Last Ship centers on the crew of a naval destroyer who, after a global catastrophe decimates the Earth’s population, are forced to confront the reality of their new existence in a world where they are among the only survivors. Welliver will play Mike Slattery, second in command to Captain Tom Chandler (Eric Dane) onboard the USS Nathan James, a fair man who cares deeply for his family. He and Tom clash at times over what is the best course of action.
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Old October 11 2012, 05:23 PM   #1705
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Those are all horror to me. I was just watching Starship Troopers, my favorite sci-fi film and even it's end degenerated into gratuitous horror instead of smart sci-fi. Did we learn anything about the bugs or ourselves in the end? No. i would like to rewrite that ending to be more thought provoking, thoughtful and insightful. I guess it's a matter of intent and the disgression of the programmers of sy-fy, etc.. Once again though we're talking about the lowest common denominator (demon eater) here $ and ratings.
Science Fiction doesn't have to be "smart" or "thought provoking". You don't even have to "learn" anything. The key is in the two words that make up the term: "Science" and "Fiction".
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Old October 11 2012, 05:27 PM   #1706
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Those are all horror to me. I was just watching Starship Troopers, my favorite sci-fi film and even it's end degenerated into gratuitous horror instead of smart sci-fi. Did we learn anything about the bugs or ourselves in the end? No. i would like to rewrite that ending to be more thought provoking, thoughtful and insightful. I guess it's a matter of intent and the disgression of the programmers of sy-fy, etc.. Once again though we're talking about the lowest common denominator (demon eater) here $ and ratings.
I don't know. Any definition of sf that excludes ALIEN, THE THING, and H. G. Wells (!) seems a little restrictive to me, not to mention divorced from the entire history of the genre.
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Old October 11 2012, 05:30 PM   #1707
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Good news about titus Welliver, I hope he gets into a show that goes the distance ths year.

And speaking of Lost alumni, supernatural Western from Carlton Cuse.
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Old October 11 2012, 05:35 PM   #1708
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Those are all horror to me. I was just watching Starship Troopers, my favorite sci-fi film and even it's end degenerated into gratuitous horror instead of smart sci-fi. Did we learn anything about the bugs or ourselves in the end? No. i would like to rewrite that ending to be more thought provoking, thoughtful and insightful.
Well whether or not you consider it thought provoking, Starship Troopers is a satire with the subtelty of a sledgehammer about how war makes fascists of us all. An ending that had the characters try to understand the aliens would undercut their intentional nastiness.
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Old October 11 2012, 05:58 PM   #1709
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SF is a mode (aka style) of writing where something fantastic is nonetheless supposed to be natural. Horror is a genre (aka narrative form) of writing where the goal is to horrify (scare and/or disgust) the reader. The statement that SF has been bound up with horror is quite correct. We could also add that SF has been bound up with satire since its inspirations in Lucian of Samosata, Cyrano de Bergerac and Swift's Gulliver's Travels. And SF has been bound up with utopia stories as well, as in More's Utopia and Bacon's New Atlantis. But those other things make SF rather unlike fantasy, even though both have the fantastic.
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Old October 11 2012, 06:02 PM   #1710
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^^ And, hopefully, RHW's new show. Defender, I think it is.
Considering the lack of news, it's highly unlikely it will materialize.
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