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Old December 24 2011, 11:32 PM   #1
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USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

What's up with the registry for the USS Excalibur? Some places mention that it's NCC-1664 while it's listed as NCC-1705 elsewhere (such as the fan production.)

Is there a canon reference for this and why the difference?
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Old December 25 2011, 12:11 AM   #2
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

There is no canon reference whatsoever for the USS Excalibur registry. Both of the numbers that you cited are fan interpretations. The NCC-1664 number came from an article that Greg Jein wrote back in the seventies, which was later used by the Star Trek Concordance, the NCC-1705 number came from Franz Joseph's blueprints and the Star Trek Technical Manual.
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Old December 25 2011, 12:12 AM   #3
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

The Star Fleet Technical Manual has it as NCC-1705.

As I understand this, NCC-1664 was the Excalibur's number in the script notes for 'The Ultimate Computer', and that was put on the AMT model they used in that episode for her. But this detail is/ was as not as well-known as the TM.
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Old December 25 2011, 12:43 AM   #4
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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The Star Fleet Technical Manual has it as NCC-1705.
Oops!
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Old December 25 2011, 01:26 AM   #5
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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The Star Fleet Technical Manual has it as NCC-1705.
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Well, note that we posted more or less simultaneously.
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Old December 25 2011, 01:46 AM   #6
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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There is no canon reference whatsoever for the USS Excalibur registry. Both of the numbers that you cited are fan interpretations. The NCC-1664 number came from an article that Greg Jein wrote back in the seventies, which was later used by the Star Trek Concordance, the NCC-1705 number came from Franz Joseph's blueprints and the Star Trek Technical Manual.
I may be wrong, but I think NCC-1664 was used in the remastered effects for "The Ultimate Computer"

It's also worth noting that many of Franz Joseph's numbers have been disproven (for want of a better word) by later Trek productions, such as "In a Mirror, Darkly", which gave the number 1764 (the number used in the old FASA RPG manuals) for the Defiant.
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Old December 25 2011, 05:42 AM   #7
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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The Star Fleet Technical Manual has it as NCC-1705.

As I understand this, NCC-1664 was the Excalibur's number in the script notes for 'The Ultimate Computer', and that was put on the AMT model they used in that episode for her. But this detail is/ was as not as well-known as the TM.
One, I would be very surprised if the script has anything regarding registry numbers for the other ships, but I'm willing to be surprised.

Two, the footage of the wrecked Excalibur was just painfully obvious recycled footage of the Constellation from "The Doomsday Machine".
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Old December 26 2011, 04:11 AM   #8
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

Is it not possible that the registry pre-M5 incident was 1664? Once the hull was towed to space dock and refitted with new technologies and such she was re-assigned 1705 out of respect to those that lost their lives. That would at least fit with what we know of Joseph Kerezman's show concept at this point. The obvious upside is that it reconciles both numbers. Course that last bit is more of a fan-film concern...
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Old December 26 2011, 04:25 AM   #9
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

^ IMHO, it would seem more respectful to the Excalibur's lost crew to keep the ship's old registry number, rather than give it a new one.
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Old December 26 2011, 05:43 AM   #10
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

Well, I's thinkin' along the lines of retiring a jersey an whatnot.
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Old December 26 2011, 05:53 AM   #11
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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The Star Fleet Technical Manual has it as NCC-1705.

As I understand this, NCC-1664 was the Excalibur's number in the script notes for 'The Ultimate Computer', and that was put on the AMT model they used in that episode for her. But this detail is/ was as not as well-known as the TM.
There was no AMT model built for the Excalibur. As CRA said, the footage of the battle-damaged ship was stock footage of the Constellation. And even if it was an AMT model, there would have been no sixes or fours for the decals. They would have only had ones, sevens and zeros.
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Old December 26 2011, 06:25 AM   #12
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

Does anyone know what they went with when re-doing "The Ultimate Computer"? The Excalibur appeared in that ep.
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Old December 26 2011, 12:37 PM   #13
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

^ They used NCC-1664 in the remastered ep.
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Old December 26 2011, 01:13 PM   #14
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

So NCC-1664 is canon.
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Old December 26 2011, 08:24 PM   #15
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Re: USS Excalibur: NCC-1664 or NCC-1705?

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So NCC-1664 is canon.
I haven't seen the remastered episode but I checked YouTube for the remastered shots from The Ultimate Computer and couldn't find any that shows the registry for the Excalibur.
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