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Old June 10 2012, 05:16 AM   #811
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Re: So What Are you Reading?: Generations

If you're adapting something into a new medium, some things are going to change simply because different things will work in different media, but it's also a truism that you'll have to have some changes in order to give the people familiar with the original the same level of surprises and so on that the new audience will have...

Most of the changes to GoT season 2 have been pretty obviously because of the sheer size and scope, but overall they're still heading in the same direction with the plotlines.

What's interesting is that, despite having to hack out a lot to fit ACoK into 10 episodes, they've actually included (especially in the last three episodes or so) a bunch of stuff from A Storm of Swords...
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Old June 10 2012, 01:53 PM   #812
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I understand - its just hard to discuss since you have not read/seen it. I would be very interested in having the discussion once you have.
I don't think I'm likely to. From what I've heard, it's too dark and depressing and violent for me.


Now what would work - is a tv show based on the world with an all new plot and characters.
Or something that incorporates characters and plot elements from the books but combines them in new ways and tells new stories based on them, as The Dresden Files and Legend of the Seeker did, or as a movie like Clash of the Titans (the Harryhausen original) did with Greek mythology, or as superhero movies do with the comics that inspired them. It doesn't have to be a binary choice between slavish copying and complete newness. There are countless ways to rework the elements of a story, or to combine pieces of different stories to generate a new story.


But if you were going to change the overall plotline, you would have had to change the beginning as well. There is stuff happening in the prologue that sets up events in book 5 and so on.
But what you do in that case is what Straczynski did with Babylon 5: have certain key events and plot points that you need to pay off, but be flexible about when they happen, what happens in between them, what leads from one to the other, or even which characters play certain key roles. There can be multiple paths to reach the same endpoint. Again, it's not a binary choice.
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Old June 10 2012, 02:32 PM   #813
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It is dark Christopher, and violent, so if thats not your thing, than you're probably right to avoid it. It is actually my favorite series, and I picked up the first one about 11 years ago, long before HBO made him uber famous. The third book is my favorite modern novel written.
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Old June 10 2012, 03:57 PM   #814
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I was worried about not having books to take with me to D.C. (since I'm a very fast reader), so I went out and picked up the ENT-R book The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing and started reading it. I've also got the DS9 Millenium Trilogy waiting in the wings, and will probably go pick up The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm either before I leave or, if it's available, while I'm in D.C.
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Old June 10 2012, 08:15 PM   #815
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Or something that incorporates characters and plot elements from the books but combines them in new ways and tells new stories based on them, as The Dresden Files and Legend of the Seeker did, or as a movie like Clash of the Titans (the Harryhausen original) did with Greek mythology, or as superhero movies do with the comics that inspired them. It doesn't have to be a binary choice between slavish copying and complete newness. There are countless ways to rework the elements of a story, or to combine pieces of different stories to generate a new story.
Another good example of this is True Blood. It the takes most of the characters, and a lot of the basic concepts from the books, but then tends to take them in a very different directions.
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Old June 10 2012, 10:22 PM   #816
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I decided to pick up Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles as a sort of tribute. It was the first book of his I'd ever read and fell in love with it.
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Old June 11 2012, 07:28 AM   #817
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Finished The Wrath Of Khan novelization. I appreciated all of the extras the movie didn't offer. 8/10

Now onto The Search For Spock.
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Old June 11 2012, 12:22 PM   #818
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Just finished reading The Anubis Gate & Rivers of London.

Anubis Gate was pretty good. It's the second Tim Powers book I've read(after On Stranger Tides, which I read yonks ago on finding it served as partial inspiration for The Secret of Monkey Island), and both have a main character who makes bad choices and screws up a bit. Which isn't that odd, but Powers has an interesting way of doing it that I can't quite put my finger on.

Rivers of London was an fun enough magical detective book for me to try the next in the series.
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Old June 12 2012, 12:55 PM   #819
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I just finished reading the Bantam ST novel Planet of Judgment by Joe Haldeman, which I haven't read in a long time. I'd forgotten how much it got right about Trek continuity, by the standards of the time. Either Haldeman was a fan, or he really studied the James Blish adaptations in detail. (He even includes Blish as a character in the novel, as the scientist James Atheling; Blish wrote literary criticism under the pseudonym William Atheling, Jr.) Haldeman added a number of ideas of his own that are hard to reconcile with continuity, but that make good sense, like the use of high-tech body armor on dangerous missions and helmets for the security staff (an idea actually adopted in the TOS movies). When I read this book in the past, I wasn't aware of Haldeman's experience as an Army veteran, which heavily influenced his most famous work, The Forever War; but now I can see how much his military experience informed his portrayal of the crew's procedures in crisis situations.

It's also quite an epic and ambitious story, both in terms of the great hazards the characters face (and ultimately the civilization-wide stakes they must contend with) and the attempt to explore and develop the main characters; this book was the first attempt to depict the details of McCoy's divorce, for instance. Unfortunately, the writing style is somewhat cursory and compressed, so that events that should be big and emotionally powerful just get a few brief sentences of description before moving on. So it doesn't feel as profound and epic as it really should, which I suppose is why I've always only liked this novel rather than loving it. Also, Haldeman goes to some lengths to introduce several supporting characters and their relationships -- the borderline romantic triangle of Atheling, Sharon Follett, and Andre Charvat -- and then never really does anything with it, as those characters fade into the background when the climactic events draw near.

Still, for all it's flaws, it's one of the two strongest Bantam Trek novels by a good margin, surpassed only by David Gerrold's The Galactic Whirlpool.
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Old June 12 2012, 02:47 PM   #820
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Currently reading DRGIII's Plagues of Night, and i'm really enjoying it
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Old June 12 2012, 03:06 PM   #821
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Just started reading New Frontier.
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Old June 13 2012, 02:17 AM   #822
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Just finished Worlds of DS9: Bajor. I really enjoyed it and thought it was well written. I really grooved to J. Noah Kym's style, but the story ends up reading like a large prologue to a deeper storyline that seems to be part of the "missing" period of the DS9-R.

I also read Kira's Story from Tales from the Captain's Table which I absolutely hated. I rather enjoyed the Chakotay story, and it seemed like the Kira story was going there as well: "What made Kira leadership material?" But in fact we get basically a redo of "Wrongs Darker..." It's a shame, as I really liked Heather Jaarman's other DS9 stories.

Now onto A Time to Love/Hate and then the Short Story from Sky's The Limit set after then and IDW's Alien Spotlight: Borg before jumping back to Worlds of DS9 3.

Also: J. Noah Kym? Pseudonym? Recluse? Unsolved mystery?
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Old June 14 2012, 11:23 PM   #823
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I finished Heat Rises last night. It's really good, the best in the series so far, looking forward to the next one, Frozen Heat, when it comes out.

I'm about to start Star Trek: Department of Temporal Investigations: Forgotten History.
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Old June 16 2012, 08:30 PM   #824
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I've just finished The Voyage Home novelization. 9/10 for all of he extra moments not seen in the film.

Now I'm taking a break from Star Trek and reading Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived in paperback. It's SO MUCH better than that dreadful TOR: Fatal Alliance.

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Old June 16 2012, 08:41 PM   #825
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Re-reading the Star Trek Voyager book "The Garden" by Melissa Scott. A very good book!

Before that I read a biography about Pink Floyd.
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