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Old April 6 2014, 03:40 PM   #3496
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So, in this day and age when DC are douchebags who mess things up with New 52, and don't believe audiences could accept a female superhero movie, while Marvel have hit a stride that pleases fans and casual folks alike, it's sometimes hard to remember how one came to be more a DC fan and not like Marvel.


And then something like Spiderman: Birth of Venom reminds you of exactly why. Because, back in the 80s when you started getting into proper comics, DC were reinventing the medium with mature writing, and Marvel were producing tales where both the dialogue, the thought bubbles, and the descriptive captions were all repetitively telling you what you were supposed to be seeing in the inferior art.

Yeah, you can tell I just read this collection, right?

Mostly written by Tom DeFalco, I guess I have to blame him for the crap telling us what the panels should be showing us, and the repetition. It might be the Marvel house style of the time, really - though I have some Essential Wolverine and X Men books that don't do this - but even if it were, the last two chapters, by other writers, avoid it.


The penultimate chapter, by Louise Simonson, comes over a bit better, though still has some of that style, and doesn't have as awful dialogue and phrasing as DeFalco's issues.



The last chapter, Amazing Spiderman #300, is by David Micheline, and avoids that style entirely, reading as a decent regular comic. The art by Todd MacFarlane is a bit weird, mind you - MJ suddenly is a Victoria's Secret icon in every panel, and while the story emphasises that Eddie Brock is way more the bodybuilder type than the lean Peter Parker, MacFarlane draws Petey as hugely bulked up as well.

So, a big "meh" for this 80s Spidey collection.


Thankfully there have been great Marvel titles since- Ultimates, 1602, etc. Basically from the end of the 90s they seem to have got their shit together...
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Old April 6 2014, 04:55 PM   #3497
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^I never did see what people liked about Todd MacFarlane's art.
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Old April 6 2014, 05:02 PM   #3498
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^What's 1642?

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm pretty sure you meant Neil Gaiman and Andy Kubert's 1602..
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Old April 6 2014, 07:43 PM   #3499
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^What's 1642?

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm pretty sure you meant Neil Gaiman and Andy Kubert's 1602..
Yeah, I did! I shall edit that.

As for Todd McFarlane, I also meant to wonder why the hell he has the webbing look like wooly barbed wire or something...
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Old April 7 2014, 12:33 AM   #3500
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I'm reading Prized, Book 2 of the Birthmarked Trilogy by Caragh M. O'Brien.
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Old April 7 2014, 07:08 PM   #3501
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As Marvel graphic novels go, that was better. Of course it's Noughties Marvel, so superior. Thor Reborn by J Michael Straczynski and Olivier Coipel was really nice. Great artwork, a script that gets the importance of mythology, and lovely quotable lines and sentiments.

It works well as a jumping-on point for the likes of myself who are less familiar with the series- there's only one bit that obviously hangs over from elsewhere (something about Tony Stark having done something with DNA samples) but it's not a big problem.

The highlight was probably the Medicines Sans Frontieres chapter in Africa, though at the same time this felt a little uncomfortable in the sense of "look, this is a blonde blue-eyed actual fucking Norse god solving Africa?!" thing, but thankfully this was then actually addressed by the characters in the story.

Good mix of humour and epicness, love what happens with Asgard and the town meeting... I like the female Loki too.

It didn't really have a proper ending, but, as a jumping-on point that doesn't matter, as the whole purpose is make me want to read on, and it certainly did that. I like this Thor...
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Old April 8 2014, 12:10 AM   #3502
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Just started my second trek novel, Avatar II
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Old April 8 2014, 10:00 AM   #3503
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Alas, I must sometimes read books to get insight into my illness. Not unlike many other psyches. I just finished reading "The Psychogenesis of Mental Disease" (Collected Works of C. G. Jung, Volume 3) and recommend it only to the very serious people such as family members or people with the illness who have the experience and training to appreciate insight. Maybe I should read his book on UFOs to provide for less serious material.
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Old April 8 2014, 08:00 PM   #3504
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Iron Man: Extremis by Warren Ellis and Adi Granov is the best of the three Marvel collections I'd read over the last few days. It really is a great jumping on point and intro to Iron Man, which relaunches the character for the modern age (so well that its flashback origin for him is used as the basis for the first Iron Man movie's origin act.)

The art is lovely, and the story very grounded in the real world - in sometimes uncomfortable ways. It's also very much a solid self-contained story. All in all, a fantastic entry for us casual readers or newbies, and I'd like to think longtime fans love it too.
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Old April 8 2014, 11:37 PM   #3505
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Lonemagpie wrote: View Post
Iron Man: Extremis by Warren Ellis and Adi Granov is the best of the three Marvel collections I'd read over the last few days. It really is a great jumping on point and intro to Iron Man, which relaunches the character for the modern age (so well that its flashback origin for him is used as the basis for the first Iron Man movie's origin act.)
It was also the basis of the plot for the third IM film.....
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Old April 9 2014, 12:19 AM   #3506
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Iron Man: Extremis by Warren Ellis and Adi Granov is the best of the three Marvel collections I'd read over the last few days. It really is a great jumping on point and intro to Iron Man, which relaunches the character for the modern age (so well that its flashback origin for him is used as the basis for the first Iron Man movie's origin act.)
It was also the basis of the plot for the third IM film.....
Haven't seen that one yet. Hearing that it derives from this book makes me want to.
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Old April 9 2014, 07:28 AM   #3507
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I started reading STTNG: Cold Equations: The Persistance of Memory this afternoon. I've been looking forward to this one for a while. I'm very curious to see exactly how the big event plays out for myself.
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Old April 9 2014, 06:36 PM   #3508
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Your in for a real treat The Cold Equations books are a fantastic Journey of Data's return. I just finished reading StarTrek SCE Things past I really liked the stories in this collection,I was lucky enough to find several Startrek SCE books at the used book store. I look forward to reading more SCE adventures.
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Old April 9 2014, 10:58 PM   #3509
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Decided to read the New Frontier "Treason" and then will have only "Blind Man's Bluff" to finish the series.
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Old April 11 2014, 03:17 AM   #3510
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I finished up Captain America: The Winter Soldier Book One last night.
My review:
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A great comic collection. As someone new to solo Cap stories this served as a great jumping on point, it had interesting story that built on Steve Rogers' history but explained thing well enough that a newbie like me was able to follow. It had some good characters, well written dialouge, and nice art. Looking forward to reading Vol. 2.
My rating: 5/5
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