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Old December 18 2011, 06:55 PM   #31
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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I'm still just not seeing it. Despite some mentions of previous character moments, seasons 1,2,4 and most of 3 are all cases of the week from what I have seen. There's nothing resembling a highly serialized show.
I wouldn't call it "highly" serialized, but still definitely a serialized show. I actually didn't really get into the show for much of the first season because it wasn't serialized enough for me, but by the end of season one and beginning of season two I was hooked purely based on the character arcs over time. That's how I would really define procedural shows; instead of calling them serialized or not, I would call them character-driven or case-driven. There are of course weekly cases in Bones, but I would definitely call it a character-driven show. You come to grow and love the people that make up the show, and you tune in each week to see where their stories go. As opposed to, say, Law and Order, where you may like the characters but they aren't the primary reason you come back each week to watch.
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Old December 18 2011, 11:56 PM   #32
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

One great serialized show that I haven't seen mentioned is Wiseguy. You should check it out if you can.
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Old December 19 2011, 02:56 AM   #33
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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I'm still just not seeing it. Despite some mentions of previous character moments, seasons 1,2,4 and most of 3 are all cases of the week from what I have seen. There's nothing resembling a highly serialized show.
Serialized narrative structure doesn't just manifest itself in the form of ongoing story arcs that span an entire season. It can also manifest itself in terms of the way things proceed and evolve from episode to episode, and the way in which characters and character relationships develop and evolve.

As of the current 7th season, Bones has been 'split' between seasons (2, 3, 4, and 6) that rely heavily on serialized story arcs, and seasons (1 and 5) that manifest serialized narrative structure more in terms of character interaction and development. I haven't seen any of the current season, so I don't know how serialized narrative structure manifests itself there, but from what I've heard, it seems to be leaning more towards the 'Seasons 1 and 5' end of the spectrum.

I mentioned Las Vegas earlier as another 'serialized procedural', but what I didn't mention is that it is very similar to Bones in the ways in which it utilized serialized narrative structure. Like Bones, Las Vegas relied on serialized narrative structure in the ways in which its characters interacted with each other and the ways in which each character developed and evolved over the course of the series, as well as in the form of ongoing storylines that would seem to be resolved in one episode but would be revisited in later episodes.
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Old December 19 2011, 03:02 AM   #34
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One great serialized show that I haven't seen mentioned is Wiseguy. You should check it out if you can.
A great serialized show but not really a serialized procedural.
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Old December 19 2011, 03:04 AM   #35
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Considering Aspergers is the flavor of the month, probably half the shows on TV.
As soon as Boston Legal had Jerry have it Aspergers seems to show up everywhere. Parenthood has a kid with it.
To a point, and it isn't a bad thing . It's great that they're bringing it out into the open and showing that just because a person/character has this, doesn't mean that they're incapable of having a job, having a life, etc...
I don't know. From what I see (and I admit to having not watched 'Parenthood'), most TV shows have turned Aspergers into a 'superpower' and/or made it the all purpose explanation for a smart character being awkward or quirky.
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Old December 19 2011, 05:02 AM   #36
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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One great serialized show that I haven't seen mentioned is Wiseguy. You should check it out if you can.
A great serialized show but not really a serialized procedural.
That's why I just said it was a serialized show. I figured that if the op mentioned Las Vegas (which isn't a procedural) that they might like Wiseguy.
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Old December 19 2011, 05:28 AM   #37
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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One great serialized show that I haven't seen mentioned is Wiseguy. You should check it out if you can.
A great serialized show but not really a serialized procedural.
That's why I just said it was a serialized show. I figured that if the op mentioned Las Vegas (which isn't a procedural) that they might like Wiseguy.
Actually, Las Vegas IS a procedural. It very much adheres to that format, but it's not a 'traditional' procedural.
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Old December 21 2011, 12:33 AM   #38
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As soon as Boston Legal had Jerry have it Aspergers seems to show up everywhere. Parenthood has a kid with it.
To a point, and it isn't a bad thing . It's great that they're bringing it out into the open and showing that just because a person/character has this, doesn't mean that they're incapable of having a job, having a life, etc...
I don't know. From what I see (and I admit to having not watched 'Parenthood'), most TV shows have turned Aspergers into a 'superpower' and/or made it the all purpose explanation for a smart character being awkward or quirky.
You bring up a good point there. The whole have it be a superpower thing reminds me of something I saw on a talk show recently... they had this expert on talking about how people with Asperger's are geniuses. That's nice to say, but it isn't always the case.

The whole Autism spectrum is a wide ranging one, and it kind of bugs me that they try to lift people's hopes up that much. Not every child or person who has it will grow up to be a genius sadly.

As for the awkward or quirky thing, they need to stop doing that as well.

It seems as if some shows don't have a way to incorporate characters like that.

The best one was in Boston Legal. The worst was in Cold Case.

The Cold Case one showed the usual cookie cutter Asperger's kid and the people reacting in the same old stereotypical way. Drove me crazy .

I liked how they handled the lawyer in Boston Legal. For the most part, they treated it with respect.
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Old December 21 2011, 04:26 AM   #39
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To a point, and it isn't a bad thing . It's great that they're bringing it out into the open and showing that just because a person/character has this, doesn't mean that they're incapable of having a job, having a life, etc...
I don't know. From what I see (and I admit to having not watched 'Parenthood'), most TV shows have turned Aspergers into a 'superpower' and/or made it the all purpose explanation for a smart character being awkward or quirky.
You bring up a good point there. The whole have it be a superpower thing reminds me of something I saw on a talk show recently... they had this expert on talking about how people with Asperger's are geniuses. That's nice to say, but it isn't always the case.

The whole Autism spectrum is a wide ranging one, and it kind of bugs me that they try to lift people's hopes up that much. Not every child or person who has it will grow up to be a genius sadly.

As for the awkward or quirky thing, they need to stop doing that as well.

It seems as if some shows don't have a way to incorporate characters like that.

The best one was in Boston Legal. The worst was in Cold Case.

The Cold Case one showed the usual cookie cutter Asperger's kid and the people reacting in the same old stereotypical way. Drove me crazy .

I liked how they handled the lawyer in Boston Legal. For the most part, they treated it with respect.
I said this earlier, but that guy on Boston Legal didn't have Asperger's. He might've been intended to, but the way he was portrayed was inconsistent with that particular Autism spectrum disorder. His behavior and personality quirks and traits, at least according to everything I could find, were much more indicative of a person who was borderline 'low-functioning' autistic. Individuals with Asperger's are generally the complete opposite.
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Old December 21 2011, 03:40 PM   #40
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There is an excellent show in the UK called Scott & Bailey that debuted last spring that definitely fits the OP's bill. It's a Manchester-based procedural about two female cops, but while the stories are standalone there are threads that continue throughout the season. It's only 6 episodes (as per usual for the UK) so it's "easily digestible" for lack of a better term. But the writing and performances are top-notch. Unfortunately it's also a very "local" show - meaning the odds of it showing up on even PBS is pretty slim. It's on DVD in the UK and who knows, it might turn up over here, but I'm not holding my breath. I was able to view it using alternative methods.

It's about two female detectives who solve crimes - one a more experienced, worldly officer, and the other a more recent recruit who is still impulsive and prone to think with her "other brain" (women have "other brains" too).

My interest in the show was initially due to it starring Suranne Jones, who who made a splash playing Idris in the Doctor Who episode The Doctor's Wife. I also found out she co-created the show. Lesley Sharp (another DW alumnus, from Midnight) plays Scott to Suranne's Bailey. The show was a fairly big hit in the UK so has been renewed for a second season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJGiFnqCP0

I got a similar vibe watching a trailer for Rizzoli & Isles, the American show, but that one doesn't play in Canada either and I've never had a chance to check it out so I don't know if it's a serial or not.

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Old December 21 2011, 07:46 PM   #41
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I think the two shows that came to mind when I read the OP were Burn Notice and Life.
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