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Old December 14 2011, 03:30 PM   #16
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

The Mentalist would seem to fit into this but I lost interest after the cheat at the end of the last season.
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Old December 14 2011, 07:22 PM   #17
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

Part of connecting with a procedural is connecting with the characters. Bones is serialized somewhat with Brennan's parents and then again with the Gormegon, but they still do cases of the week 90% of the time. What makes Bones special is that the characters are constantly getting attention each week in addition to the cases.

NCIS is probably similar in this regard. Lots of comedy, interesting characters, and some overall story arcs beginning in the later seasons.
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Old December 14 2011, 08:28 PM   #18
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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Similar in structure in terms of being a procedural drama, or similar in terms of being a procedural with a narrative arc structure (which is what makes Bones a 'serialized procedural' as opposed to a traditional procedural [ala the CSIs and the Law and Orders])?
Similar in that you wanted shows like Bones. If it were like CSI/L&O it wouldn't be similar, now would it?.
Yes, it would. Bones, CSI, and Law and Order ARE similar; they are all procedural dramas. Bones just happens to be more serialized than the CSI and L&O franchise series.
But you didn't want shows like CSI and L&O. So why would you take a statement that "Body of Proof is similar to Bones" to somehow include the former 2 shows?

Regardless, Body of Proof is the type of show you are looking for per your original post. Check it out.
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Old December 14 2011, 08:56 PM   #19
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"The Closer" is another excellent show that fits this mold.
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Old December 14 2011, 11:56 PM   #20
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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Similar in structure in terms of being a procedural drama, or similar in terms of being a procedural with a narrative arc structure (which is what makes Bones a 'serialized procedural' as opposed to a traditional procedural [ala the CSIs and the Law and Orders])?
Similar in that you wanted shows like Bones. If it were like CSI/L&O it wouldn't be similar, now would it?.
Yes, it would. Bones, CSI, and Law and Order ARE similar; they are all procedural dramas. Bones just happens to be more serialized than the CSI and L&O franchise series.

As an aside, FOX aired the first season of Bones drastically out of sync with its serialized nature, and the PTBs didn't bother to make adjustments when the DVD for the season came out. Of the season's 22 episodes, there were only 4 (episodes 1, 8, 9, and 22) that aired in their 'proper sequence'. Episodes 2 and 3 were flip-flopped, episode 7 should've aired as episode 4, episodes 4, 5, and 6 should've aired as episodexs 5 (4), 6 (5), and 7 (6), episodes 10 and 11 were flip-flopped, episode 16 should've
aired as episode 12, episodes 12 and 13 should've aired as episodes 13 and 14, episodes 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 should've aired as episodes 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19, episode 15 should've aired as episode 20, and episode 14 should've aired as episode 21.
I'm assuming the order on Netflix instant is the same order as it aired on TV (so, the incorrect order)? That is the order in which I watched the shows.
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Old December 15 2011, 04:44 AM   #21
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FOX aired the first season of Bones drastically out of sync with its serialized nature, and the PTBs didn't bother to make adjustments when the DVD for the season came out. Of the season's 22 episodes, there were only 4 (episodes 1, 8, 9, and 22) that aired in their 'proper sequence'. Episodes 2 and 3 were flip-flopped, episode 7 should've aired as episode 4, episodes 4, 5, and 6 should've aired as episodexs 5 (4), 6 (5), and 7 (6), episodes 10 and 11 were flip-flopped, episode 16 should've
aired as episode 12, episodes 12 and 13 should've aired as episodes 13 and 14, episodes 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 should've aired as episodes 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19, episode 15 should've aired as episode 20, and episode 14 should've aired as episode 21.
I'm assuming the order on Netflix instant is the same order as it aired on TV (so, the incorrect order)? That is the order in which I watched the shows.
Yes, the Netflix order is the original airdate order, and would've been the order in which I would've watched the season if I hadn't done some research and/or reasonable deduction based on the individual content of certain episodes.

I found out about the true viewing order for episodes 2, 3, and 7 from Wikipedia, and found an episode guide for the season online that provided the alternate viewing placement for episodes 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, and 13. I then made some reasonable deductions myself and moved the remainder of the episodes around based on their individual content in relation to one another (specifically flip-flopping episodes 14 and 15 because of Booth being shot in episode 15, which provides an explanation for the references made in episode 14 about Brennan working several cases by herself without Booth's help, and moving them to late in the season because of Brennan giving Booth her parents' case file in episode 14, which leads very organically into the events of episode 22, which is all about her parents).

BTW, I'd like to add another angle to this this whole thing. Last night, I found out that Hart Hanson, the man who created Bones, modeled the show's version of the Temperance Brennan character after a friend of his who has Asperger's Syndrome.

Since I myself was diagnosed as high-functioning autistic as a child, I'm now wondering the following: does anyone know of any series that fit the 'serialized procedural' format and feature characters who demonstrate high-functioning autistic and/or Aspergers-like behaviors and personality traits?
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Old December 15 2011, 08:23 AM   #22
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Considering Aspergers is the flavor of the month, probably half the shows on TV.
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Old December 15 2011, 08:53 AM   #23
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I remember when 24 was on a lot of people thought that Chloe O'Brian had Aspergers.
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Old December 15 2011, 09:19 AM   #24
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Considering Aspergers is the flavor of the month, probably half the shows on TV.
As soon as Boston Legal had Jerry have it Aspergers seems to show up everywhere. Parenthood has a kid with it.
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Old December 15 2011, 09:44 AM   #25
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24, Boston Legal, and Parenthood aren't procedurals, and, while I never watched Boston Legal, I did a search and can unequivocally say that the character on that show who was supposed to have Asperger's/be high-functioning autistic was actually written with characteristics and behavioral quirks that are typical of individuals who are low-functioning autistic.
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Old December 15 2011, 02:55 PM   #26
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There's a character in Fringe's 3rd season that does.
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Old December 15 2011, 09:45 PM   #27
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Re: Bones and other "serialized procedurals"

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Considering Aspergers is the flavor of the month, probably half the shows on TV.
As soon as Boston Legal had Jerry have it Aspergers seems to show up everywhere. Parenthood has a kid with it.
To a point, and it isn't a bad thing . It's great that they're bringing it out into the open and showing that just because a person/character has this, doesn't mean that they're incapable of having a job, having a life, etc.

@ DigificWriter: Didn't know that. Figured that Brennan had Aspergers or something like it, but never knew that she'd based the tv version off of a person she knew that had Asperger's.

Well I think that they're handling things pretty well on Bones when it comes down to it (aside from having Brennan be a little too robotic like at times). Seen too many other shows that portray Asperger's and Autism in a way that doesn't really help those who have it or help to show others that it isn't just one way or another.

It's a broad spectrum.
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Old December 16 2011, 03:16 AM   #28
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Random Tofurky: I assume by 'she' you're referring to Kath Reichs, the woman who originally created the Temperance Brennan character. However, it was Hart Hanson, not she, who is responsible for choosing to portray the TV version of Brennan as a person with Asperger's/high-functioning autism.

BTW, Brennan isn't the only character on Bones who is/was written to have Asperger's/HFA characteristics; Zack Addy was as well, although he demonstrated certain characteristics of Asperger's/HFA to a larger degree.

One more thing: I don't think I mentioned this earlier, but the character of Brennan as written for the show is someone that I can very closely identify with because her Asperger's/high-functioning autism shapes and affects her behavior in ways that are very similar to how my own autism shapes and affects my behavior.
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Old December 18 2011, 10:09 AM   #29
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I have to apologize for double-posting and bumping my own thread, but I wanted to make an observation that only enforces Bones' nature as a serialized procedural. Hart Hanson and the other writers have liberally borrowed and used storytelling methodology such as you'd find on a show like Lost or Buffy the Vampire Slayer, employing time jumps and even putting together a pretty blatant channeling of Joss Whedon's signature storytelling style with the fourth season finale 'The End in the Beginning'.

Note: I haven't yet gotten as far in my viewing as S4 yet, but I did some research and kind of spoiled myself.
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Old December 18 2011, 11:49 AM   #30
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I'm still just not seeing it. Despite some mentions of previous character moments, seasons 1,2,4 and most of 3 are all cases of the week from what I have seen. There's nothing resembling a highly serialized show.
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