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Old December 12 2011, 06:45 PM   #61
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Re: New blurbs for Raise the Dawn, Fallen Gods, and The Eternal Tide

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And the V'ger summary sounds too much like a logistical report.
To me it sounds like they took the first couple of paragraphs of a longer outline or summary of the novel and stuck those in as a quick-and-dirty blurb.



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The blurbs don't say that the Typhon Pact is moving towards "interstellar domination." It says that factions within the Pact want that -- and that other factions in the Pact, such as the Romulan government, are working towards peace and stability. This builds upon what we've seen from previous Typhon Pact entries -- the Breen seem hostile to the Federation and the Kinshaya to the Klingons, for instance, while the current Romulan government and a significant Kinshaya faction have no such angry impulses, and the Tzenkethi are less about being hostile towards anyone than about being manipulative for their own welfare and stability.
Yes. This was spelled out in The Struggle Within, summarizing the threads evident throughout the other novels. It puzzles me that there are some readers out there who are still determined to treat the Pact as a single monolithic entity, when the entire thrust of the series has been that its six members all have their own clashing agendas. The story of the Typhon Pact is not about the Federation against a united enemy, it's about the six nations of the Pact competing with each other to define the future of their partnership.



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(And saying that Unification will lead to Vulcan seceeding from the UFP is not entirely logical; it could equally lead to the Romulan Empire forging closer bonds with the UFP/Khitomer Alliance, especially with Praetor Kamemor in power [she seems to acknowledge that the Romulan Way is not necessarily the best way].)
I profoundly doubt she'd see it that way. After all, what civilization has only one "way?" The Romulans have multiple different factions and points of view just as any society does. Kamemor no doubt considers her "way" to be entirely Romulan, just a better way of being Romulan than the way endorsed by the previous rulers of the Empire.
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Old December 12 2011, 09:20 PM   #62
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You forgot about Destiny - 3 books, the greatest event in trek lit from the last few years:
60 billion federation citizens dead. 50% of starfleet destroyed.
Genocide porn.
The tone of these books makes battlestar galactica's look positively cheery.
As you are, apparently, counting - these are 3 immense 'LOSS LOSS LOSS' for the federation.
Actually, I would say that in the end Destiny was the one of the biggest wins we've ever gotten in any Trek story. Sure there was an invasion, and lost of death and destruction, but in the end the Federation was able to defeat the Borg, who are one of, if not the, biggest threats to the galaxy. Not only that, but they defeated them through peacefully means, and in the process saved billions or maybe trillions of beings who had been enslaved by the Collective over the years. That's a pretty big win in my book. And the invasion also lead to the beginnings of the expansion Khitomer Accords, which created tighter bonds between the UFP and other neighbors. Which just adds even more positive points to it.
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Old December 12 2011, 09:39 PM   #63
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i can't understand how anyone can call Destiny 'genocide porn'...
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Old December 12 2011, 10:06 PM   #64
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i can't understand how anyone can call Destiny 'genocide porn'...
Given that so much death and destruction occurred during the majority of the story and fudging the actual definition of genocide, I can see why some people could come to that conclusion.
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Old December 13 2011, 05:14 AM   #65
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Kirsten Beyer is among the more tight-lipped authors about blurbs and spoilers, she likes to keep it all close to her chest until she the book goes on sale. I doubt she had much to do with the blurb. It doesn't even say anything not stated as ongoing plot points in her previous Voyager novels, so it isn't really a spoiler either.

The publisher needed a description for a title in the catalogue and created one.
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Old December 13 2011, 02:50 PM   #66
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^As a rule, blurbs are handled in-house by the editors or whoever. Sometimes the authors are invited to have a say in the blurb-writing, but that's not the norm.
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Old December 14 2011, 04:50 AM   #67
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Dropping quality and raising the price sounds like a brilliant marketing stratagy to me, not that I ever think about buying a Star Trek book. I did buy 'Children of the Storm' for personal reasons - thought she missed the mark, and 'Troublesome minds' because of the high mind concept, but the Typhon pact books just seem too literate for me and too dense. I like complex stories told in simple ways with high sci-fi concepts, not political drudges.
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Old December 14 2011, 04:52 AM   #68
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^ You can't tell a complex story in a simple way...
From now on I'm going to call you President Reagan..
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Old December 14 2011, 05:00 AM   #69
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Reagan was a great President.
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Old December 14 2011, 05:02 AM   #70
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Ronnie couldn't deal with complex issues, like you President Reagan and so he had to have everything in a one page memo...

On the other hand, for those of us who don't have a "Hey, hey wait a minute...I don't want to have to read and think..." The 2012 line up looks pretty good!
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Old December 14 2011, 05:04 AM   #71
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That should be enough of that petty forth and back, I hope ...
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Old December 14 2011, 06:24 AM   #72
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Dropping quality and raising the price sounds like a brilliant marketing stratagy to me, not that I ever think about buying a Star Trek book. I did buy 'Children of the Storm' for personal reasons - thought she missed the mark, and 'Troublesome minds' because of the high mind concept, but the Typhon pact books just seem too literate for me and too dense. I like complex stories told in simple ways with high sci-fi concepts, not political drudges.
Ummmm.......ok.
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i can't understand how anyone can call Destiny 'genocide porn'...
Given that so much death and destruction occurred during the majority of the story and fudging the actual definition of genocide, I can see why some people could come to that conclusion.
For it to be porn, wouldm't there need to be a "gosh-ain't-it-cool" factor? Destiny didn't strike me as doing that: the Borg's actions weren't gratuitous, and did carry significant costs for the characters and setting that haven't been handwaved away.
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Old December 14 2011, 07:08 AM   #74
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Personally, I just roll my eyes at "clever" desciptions of Destiny, such as "genocide chic" and "genocide porn".
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Old December 14 2011, 10:54 AM   #75
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You're shifting the goal posts now.
You're the one shifting the goal-posts.
I was talking about the present blurbs which continue the dystopian trend in recent trek lit.

You analysed recent trek lit related to how the typhon pact appeared, but left out what didn't fit in the point you tried to make.

Also, it's not genocide porn, and that terms if frankly offensive. Pornography is about trying to titillate, to glorify one particular aspect of life above others. In no way does the Destiny trilogy glorify or treat as a good thing genocide, which is what that phrase implies.
Regardless of whether you like the term or not, Sci, the shoe fits:
porn=television shows, articles, photographs, etc., thought to create or satisfy an excessive desire for something, especially something luxurious: the irresistible appeal of food porn; an addiction to real-estate porn.
AKA porn is oversaturating with something, not glorifying said something.


The formation of the Typhon Pact is neither a gain nor a loss for the Federation.

Adversarial/Cold war, remember?

It is directly established starfleet is in massive inferiority to the typhon pact and the only thing preventing the federation from being overrun in 6 months is slip-stream.
Uh, no, it's not.
Apparently, you read selectively, Sci.
From Zero Sum Game:
"Our best estimate is that sabotaging this program will buy us another decade of monopoly on slipstream, by which point we hope to have rebuilt the fleet and expanded our reach to new regions of the galaxy. But if we don’t shut down the Typhon Pact’s slipstream project before it launches a prototype, the Federation will become a second-rate power in less than a year. What happens after that, I don’t think any of us want to find out."

And about the cloak:
"“We didn’t think the Romulans had this kind of cloak yet.” Nechayev pointed out an isolated section of the graph. “Judging from these readings, I’d say the Romulans have put phasing cloaks into active service.”
Akaar frowned. “If that’s true, they could be roaming at will throughout Federation space.”"

Any military officer who doesn't worry about the other side having this kind of huge strategical advantage is an utter moron/incompetent. Old news - starfleet's strategic incompetence was amply demonstrated on many occasions.
Plus - that was when Tal'Aura - which recently supported a plan to kill every living being on earth - was praetor. And just after the romulans used said cloak to help in sabotage against the federation.

Yes, and the price of tea in China is just terrible, isn't it?

Whether or not you think Bashir was well-written has nothing to do with whether or not Zero Sum Game can be fairly said to depict the Federation as being kicked in the balls.
Whether Bashir - and others - were depicted horribly out of character is highly relevant to the tone of recent trek lit.

Yes -- and then the RSE is taken over by a new government that's about as friendly towards the UFP as Donatra was. So from a purely utilitarian POV, really, either result benefits the Federation.
As said:
The DRG3 2nd blurb explicitly says the attempts to bring 'peace' failed, and, by the time of the second DRG3 book, said leaders are desperately trying to prevent a shooting war (as in, they are having trouble even maintaining the cold war status).
I see how much support that moderate romulan praetor (installed by the federation-hating tzenkethi, masters of manipulation and prediction, to serve their interest) has. How much real power the pro-peace faction within the typhon pact has.

In the book, it was directly established that the federation had the means to save the andorian species - the taurus reach data.
It was directly established in the book that Akaar and others within starfleet/the federation knew of the existence of the taurus reach data and its potential from the beginning.
No, it was not.
From Paths of disharmony:
"That someone,” Akaar replied, “either by accident or design, has accessed top-secret and potentially damaging information. These records were classified under multiple levels of security, including several layers of calculated distraction and disinformation. They were deliberately withheld from the materials provided to the various parties and organizations that requested genetic-engineering data in order to research the problem on Andor."

Yes, Akaar didn't know it. But someone within starfleet did know/deliberately hid the data.

Paths of disharmony - the andorians decided to leave the federation in a democratic referendum.
In the current blurbs, it's established that andor joined the typhon pact, which is in a state of cold war with the federation - meaning that andor, far from being sympathetic to the federation or even neutral, chooses, of its own accord, to be an enemy of the federation.
You have a very "us vs. them" mindset when it comes to the UFP, don't you? Very George W. Bush. "You're either with us, or you're against us."
Really, Sci? Yet another condescension/ad personam attack?
Or was this supposed to be only a straw-man and you got overenthusiastic?

The quality of your posting sure degraded.

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