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Old December 11 2011, 03:14 AM   #31
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Re: New blurbs for Raise the Dawn, Fallen Gods, and The Eternal Tide

^ It's still outdated, not to mention from another book, and should not be considered relevant. Again, I'll remind the editors on Monday to get it squared away ASAP.
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Old December 11 2011, 04:35 AM   #32
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I think 2012 will be a tremendous year for Star Trek novels! Can't wait.
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Old December 11 2011, 06:04 AM   #33
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I don't normally do this but I kinda squealed with excitement. Gonna get a lot of usage outta my kindle in '12.
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Old December 11 2011, 06:20 AM   #34
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After reading the updated info about having Ben Sisko having to deal with some of the majorly bad choices he made and having to work with picard and Captain Ro and a new Menace coming from the Gamma Quadrant through the Wormhole . I'm looking forward to getting this novel and Micheal Martin's books next year.

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Old December 11 2011, 07:18 AM   #35
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Re: New blurbs for Raise the Dawn, Fallen Gods, and The Eternal Tide

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Because Plagues of Night is being published the month before Raise the Dawn maybe??

And also because DRG3 has commented a couple of times (on his facebook page) that his Plagues of Night picks up from all four of the first Typhon Pact novels.
Publication/release order doesn't really matter. RBoE was published as the third Typhon Pact novel, but it is actually the first TP novel in that it occurs before the others.

I don't really know what to make of DRG's statements, though, since the blurbs for PoN and RtD seem to make specific reference only to things that are covered in RBoE and ZSG, and do so in a way that makes it seem as if RtD takes place as a sequel to RBoE and PoN takes place as a prequel to ZSG.
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Old December 11 2011, 07:30 AM   #36
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Re: New blurbs for Raise the Dawn, Fallen Gods, and The Eternal Tide

The blurbs make it clear that Plagues of night is the first book and Raise the dawn, the second (its blurb making specific reference to the failed efforts of the federation and the romulan leaders to establish detente, to the failed plan to acquire slipstream by the pact from Plagues of night).

Also - DRG himself said it, the release order does matter for duologies/triogies, especially when they're written by the same author, etc.


About the disastrous events at Bajor - it's something ulterior to RBoE, which will make Sisko question his decision to leave Bajor.

Also about this Bajor catastrophe - I wonder how many billions will die this time?

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Old December 11 2011, 08:11 AM   #37
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Because Plagues of Night is being published the month before Raise the Dawn maybe??

And also because DRG3 has commented a couple of times (on his facebook page) that his Plagues of Night picks up from all four of the first Typhon Pact novels.
Publication/release order doesn't really matter. RBoE was published as the third Typhon Pact novel, but it is actually the first TP novel in that it occurs before the others.
The difference is that the first four Typhon Pact novels weren't telling a single story; they were less like Gateways or New Earth and more like Section 31 or Lost Era. DRGIII has made it clear that these books of his are a duology that tell a single story in the same way that the Destiny trilogy told a single story.
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Old December 11 2011, 11:35 AM   #38
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After reading the synopses i'm totally underwhelmed. They just sound boring to me. Since the Destiny trilogy I think Trek lit has been on a downward spiral.
I really hope that the new Typhon Pact novels are better than the last lot...
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Old December 11 2011, 11:46 AM   #39
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I found the synopsis for the "voyager' novel to be the most promising - despite it being so dry.

As for the other 3 books - Titan and 2xDRG - they continue the dystopian trend in recent trek lit - cold war, 'disastrous events' at Bajor, Andor joining the typhon pact (which was explicitly mentioned in the first blurb for the titan book - merely implied in the current one) causing the pressure to remove all andorians from starfleet, a new (and at the same time old) enemy causing mayhem in the galaxy (again, expressly mentioned in the first titan blurb, only alluded to in the current one), etc.
Meh.
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Old December 11 2011, 08:52 PM   #40
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I found the synopsis for the "voyager' novel to be the most promising - despite it being so dry.

As for the other 3 books - Titan and 2xDRG - they continue the dystopian trend in recent trek lit
You keep abusing that word.

A dystopia (from Ancient Greek: δυσ-, "bad, ill", and Ancient Greek: τόπος, "place, landscape"; alternatively cacotopia,[1] or anti-utopia) is the idea of a society in a repressive and controlled state, often under the guise of being utopian, as characterized in books like Brave New World and Nineteen Eighty-Four. Dystopian societies feature different kinds of repressive social control systems, various forms of active and passive coercion.
Nothing in those descriptions is dystopian.

- cold war,
Pardon me, but was TOS dystopian because of its depiction of a Federation/Klingon cold war? Was mid-to-late TNG dystopian for depicting a Federation/Romulan cold war? Was DS9 dystopian for depicting a Federation/Dominion cold war from seasons three to five?

Cold wars are nothing new to Star Trek. The Federation has been in a state of frozen hostilities with aggressive foreign cultures throughout the franchise's history.

'disastrous events' at Bajor,
Could mean any damn thing, especially in a blurb whose job it is to attract readers by promising excitement.

Andor joining the typhon pact (which was explicitly mentioned in the first blurb for the titan book - merely implied in the current one)
Which, if anything, is a positive portent. The Andorians aren't bad guys. It may be bad for the Federation that they left, but there's a good chance that Andorian membership in the Typhon Pact will help moderate it by balancing against the aggressive factions in the Pact.

(Besides, blurbs are often so full of shit that I'm skeptical that that's even what happens. We'll know for sure when we pick up the book.)

causing the pressure to remove all andorians from starfleet,
You mean like in "The Drumhead?" God, that TNG was so dystopian. Gene Roddenberry would never have approved.

a new (and at the same time old) enemy causing mayhem in the galaxy (again, expressly mentioned in the first titan blurb, only alluded to in the current one),
Oh, big fucking deal. That line could mean any damn thing, and it's no more evidence of dystopianism than similar blurbs for the Gateways crossover were. The Starships Enterprise and her sister ships have been fighting sinister enemies bent on causing galactic mayhem literally since "Where No Man Has Gone Before" -- and that's assuming, again, that that blurb isn't an exaggeration of some sort.
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Old December 11 2011, 09:12 PM   #41
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^I suspect one needs to go out in the cold Washington air and realise that one shouldn't get so worked up about such trivial things.

I'm looking forward to the Voyager novel, Ms Beyer has done no wrong thus far with the line and I find it hard to imagine that she could in the future.

As for the Titan novel and the Typhon Pact novels, the former I'll pass on, Seize the Fire was utter shite and was the best three quid I ever made when I resold it, I pity the soul who brought it from me. The latter, not so sure, I'll have to read some previews or the like before hand.
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Old December 11 2011, 09:13 PM   #42
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^ It's still outdated, not to mention from another book, and should not be considered relevant. Again, I'll remind the editors on Monday to get it squared away ASAP.
Oh, no I didn't mean that as any kind of defense or anything. I just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't just in the catalog when you tried to get it fixed.
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Old December 11 2011, 09:26 PM   #43
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^I suspect one needs to go out in the cold Washington air and realise that one shouldn't get so worked up about such trivial things.
Eh, it's not that cold yet. It's just starting to get chilly -- I noticed frost on the ground for the first time this week -- but not cold. I'm from Ohio -- Washington almost never gets all that cold by my standards.
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Old December 11 2011, 10:54 PM   #44
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I'll be waiting for the spoilers for any DRG3 book. It will take a lot for me to consider one of his books again after Rough Turds of Empire.
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Old December 11 2011, 11:05 PM   #45
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I'll be waiting for the spoilers for any DRG3 book. It will take a lot for me to consider one of his books again after Rough Turds of Empire.
How did you feel about his previous books?

- The 34th Rule (with Armin Shimmerman)
- Mission: Gamma - Twilight
- The Lost Era: Serpents Among the Ruins
- The Dominion: Olympus Descending (from Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Vol. III)
- "Iron and Sacrifice" (from Tales from the Captain's Table)
- Crucible: Provenance of Shadows
- Crucible: The Fire and the Rose
- Crucible: The Star to Every Wandering
- Myriad Universes: The Embrace of Cold Architects
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