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Old December 16 2011, 05:07 AM   #106
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It is a safe bet that STAR TREK became quite a bit bigger than Mr. Roddenberry, even before TOS ceased production.
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Old December 16 2011, 05:22 AM   #107
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
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Old December 16 2011, 03:56 PM   #108
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
Does not mean the successor will be any better, either. As I said, JJ's so-called "Trek" is Trek in title only, to me. All I saw there was another cookie cutter, popcorn summer flick, I'm glad I did not pay to see it.
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Old December 16 2011, 04:31 PM   #109
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
Does not mean the successor will be any better, either. As I said, JJ's so-called "Trek" is Trek in title only, to me. All I saw there was another cookie cutter, popcorn summer flick, I'm glad I did not pay to see it.
I personally thought that JJ's decisions on how to deviate from Star Trek were for the right reasons, but he ended up doing the wrong changes. Now, I love The Original Series, but it's still a product of it's time that just doesn't fit with me today. I don't enjoy the over dominance of male crew members and havenig the female crew members wearing eye-candy "uniforms" and doing jobs that are just glorified receptionists. I like my Trek with a lot more diversity in all departments out side of human/earth nationality.

As for the Enterprise herself? Oh, you better believe I would redisign her in a heart beat if I had control. It just doesn't look as practical or solid as the original Enterprise, both original and refit. There is a mechanical simplicity to both of those designs that also benefits the interior design. The JJprise is a typical case of style over substance. Our VFX guy who worked on the film will clarify that point.

VFX Guy: JJ wanted us to turn into Enterprise into a hot rod. And that's what we're most proud of is turning the Enterprise into a hot rod thing.

And taking the non-practical step in another dirction, JJ decided to shoot a bunch of scenes on the Enterprise on earth bound locations rather than built sets. I know some will say this adds a sense of realism, but I digress. I've never been in a spaceship before, and from what I've seen in all my years of meusems, documentaries and movies involving real spaceships, you'd be lucky if you can stand up straight, let alone run dozens of yeards on steel gratings.

The lack of real sets also takes a toll on bridging the exeterior ship effect with the rest of the sets. Take the engineering room from TMP/TWOK. Just looking at how the warp core is structured, you can get a very good idea on where this part of the ship is from the outside. It comes straight down many deck so it passes through the neck portion. It than stretches out down a long shaft for many sections so we're in the stardrive section. At the end of the shaft the core splits into two little core tubes that go up in a diaganal fashion. That's where the warp pylons start. Perfect example on how the sets and visual effect compliment each other. With JJprise, all you get is the window on the bridge to tell you where you are. That's it. Thanks to shooting engineering in a non-set piece that's bigger than any engineering set Star Trek has ever had, not only do we not know where we are in the ship, it's borderline impractical on how a starship can have so much open space for essentially nothing.

Oh, and the Torpedo Tubes? The chambers are on the side of the walls that are about... no more than five/six feer from each other. I've looked at the design of the JJprise and I cannot find a section anywhere that has torpedo launchers on the side of the ship, let alone an area small enough to have the tubes facing in the opposite direction of each other. Remember the Torpedo Bay in TWOK? That made a lot of sense structural wise. Heck, they even got the travel pod door location right!

Also, I don't think we can fit a whole body into one of those torpedo tubes. Sorry NuSpock. You're going out ALIEN style.
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Old December 17 2011, 12:47 AM   #110
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
Does not mean the successor will be any better, either. As I said, JJ's so-called "Trek" is Trek in title only, to me. All I saw there was another cookie cutter, popcorn summer flick, I'm glad I did not pay to see it.
Wait, you're judging something without having seen it?

How ignorant is that?
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Old December 17 2011, 01:20 AM   #111
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Just because he didn't pay to see it doesn't mean he hasn't seen it.

For the same reason I haven't paid to see it, but I did see it.
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Old December 17 2011, 01:47 AM   #112
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
Does not mean the successor will be any better, either. As I said, JJ's so-called "Trek" is Trek in title only, to me. All I saw there was another cookie cutter, popcorn summer flick, I'm glad I did not pay to see it.
I remember when the same was said of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise.

Many Trekkies insisted that it could 'never be star trek unless Kirk and Spock were at the helm.'
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Old December 17 2011, 05:34 AM   #113
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That included much of the original cast.
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Old December 17 2011, 05:44 AM   #114
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Many Trekkies insisted that it could 'never be star trek unless Kirk and Spock were at the helm.'
Well, in the end they got their wish - better, really, since now Kirk and Spock are young and interesting again.
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Old December 17 2011, 07:05 AM   #115
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Just because he didn't pay to see it doesn't mean he hasn't seen it.

For the same reason I haven't paid to see it, but I did see it.
What he said.
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Old December 17 2011, 07:09 AM   #116
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There comes a point in any growing continuity when you must step past the original creator. Sometimes delicately. In the case of Star Wars ignore him completely past a certain point.
Does not mean the successor will be any better, either. As I said, JJ's so-called "Trek" is Trek in title only, to me. All I saw there was another cookie cutter, popcorn summer flick, I'm glad I did not pay to see it.
I remember when the same was said of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise.

Many Trekkies insisted that it could 'never be star trek unless Kirk and Spock were at the helm.'
Well, I am not like most Trekkies, I liked all of those series you mentioned, including Enterprise. Same with Transformers, I'm not one of the "G1 Only!" snobs, though I hate Mr. Bay's take on them.

In fact, I spent a week getting ready when TNG was about to first air, when I was an 8 year old in 1987, akin to what hardcore Star Wars fans do when they were waiting for the new films to come out, I made the whole week prior to it like an event.


Just don't like JJ's take on Trek is all. And did not pay for a ticket, let's just say I have a friend in the film and DVD industry, and he let have have a private viewing, a week before the film came out.
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Old December 17 2011, 10:43 AM   #117
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Cool way to see a movie

reminds me how me and my dad saw Star Trek First contact for free he had a buddy who had a wife that worked at the movie theater in Silverdale, Washington and weird thing is on the ride home in the distance we saw what looked like a bright flash of green lightning that lit up a few clouds o_0.
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Old December 17 2011, 11:26 AM   #118
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Cool way to see a movie

reminds me how me and my dad saw Star Trek First contact for free he had a buddy who had a wife that worked at the movie theater in Silverdale, Washington and weird thing is on the ride home in the distance we saw what looked like a bright flash of green lightning that lit up a few clouds o_0.
You outta see what's over here where I live, and it's miles of forest all around me, so no city lights can obscure it.

Anyhow, the guy had a pre production DVD he showed me, it was missing the extra stuff, it had the options to highlight, but would do nothing. All it had was the film to see.
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Old December 17 2011, 02:41 PM   #119
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Many Trekkies insisted that it could 'never be star trek unless Kirk and Spock were at the helm.'
Well, in the end they got their wish - better, really, since now Kirk and Spock are young and interesting again.
Younger and more interesting, Shatner and Nimoy were hardly all that youthful when it started out.
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Old December 17 2011, 03:02 PM   #120
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Many Trekkies insisted that it could 'never be star trek unless Kirk and Spock were at the helm.'
Well, in the end they got their wish - better, really, since now Kirk and Spock are young and interesting again.
Younger and more interesting, Shatner and Nimoy were hardly all that youthful when it started out.
Age does not mean a thing, really. And those 'old guys' were pretty interesting to me.
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