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Old December 11 2011, 02:17 AM   #16
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

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Here's improving the JJprise:
beautiful

also if anything should have used the one from Gabe Koerner as his concept looks alot like the TOS version IMHO
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Old December 11 2011, 02:23 AM   #17
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I don't think there's a "should have" here.

In any event, here's the closest thing to a contribution I have:





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Old December 11 2011, 02:34 AM   #18
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

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I don't think there's a "should have" here.

In any event, here's the closest thing to a contribution I have:





See, that one does not look like ass anymore. I'd have the engines slimmed down, take away the strips on the engine domes, and take away the tail fins, and it's all good.
Where'd you get that mesh from?
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Old December 11 2011, 02:36 AM   #19
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I made it, thanks. I like the JJPrise much better, myself, but this was fun to build. I learned a lot about subpatching.
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Old December 11 2011, 02:38 AM   #20
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

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The official size of the ship from the production team was originally supposed to be 1200 meters. All the space shot effects were shot to that scale, while the ground shots were shot at a smaller scale. They decided on 760something meters which does not jibe with the size of the bridge nor the size of the hanger deck. Both of which clearly show the 1200 meter size scale.

Besides Kirk should always have a bigger meaner ship than Captain Tea sipper

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I'd slim those engines. Also, I don't buy that 1,200 meter length. Hell, what would explain that huge of a size increase?

Also, lose the tail fins.

Ehhh, felt the ship should not be "meaner", and what's wrong with a tea sipper? I like tea sippers. At this rate, Picard's ship in this universe is going to be the size of Vader's ship.

Plus I've always felt Jar Jar sorta pulled the size of the ship out of his ass, since he and the production team can't seem to agree on anything, so they figured it will sound 'kewl' if it's a big honking vessel.
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Old December 11 2011, 02:39 AM   #21
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I made it, thanks. I like the JJPrise much better, myself, but this was fun to build. I learned a lot about subpatching.
Got that for Poser/Daz Studio?
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Old December 11 2011, 02:39 AM   #22
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No one named "Jar Jar" worked on the movie.
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Old December 11 2011, 03:07 AM   #23
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Improving the JJprise?


High explosives comes to mind.
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Old December 11 2011, 03:08 AM   #24
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Jeeze Denny that is pretty

Make the docking rings smaller and she'd be perfect
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Old December 11 2011, 03:15 AM   #25
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Thanks.

This one is scaled similarly to the ST:TMP ship, so a lot of the detail is larger than on the JJPrise. Actually, other than scale your ship and mine have a lot in common - both incorporate aspects of the TMP ship and the JJPrise, as well as pennants reminiscent of the TOS version.

I like the engines Church designed, especially details like the "fins" that are call-backs to the original series ship. Personally, I didn't want to see a faithful rendering of the 1966 version of the Enterprise in the reboot.





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Old December 11 2011, 03:22 AM   #26
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
I don't think there's a "should have" here.

In any event, here's the closest thing to a contribution I have:





Awesome!

Wouldnt mind adding a mini version of that to my toy ship fleet
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Old December 11 2011, 03:25 AM   #27
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

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Improving the JJprise?


High explosives comes to mind.
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Old December 11 2011, 05:31 AM   #28
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

Legion's model reminds me a lot of the cover of an old '80's TOS PC text adventure - The Kobayashi Alternative - and the Enterprise depicted was the TMP model 'de-fit' with TOS parts.

http://gaming.trekcore.com/kobayashi...yashicover.jpg

I'd always wondered what a full CGI model of that would look like.
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Old December 11 2011, 05:56 AM   #29
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Re: The Improving the JJprise thread

Interesting takes on the Enterprise have been a staple of the covers of Star Trek novels since the James Blish days.
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Old December 11 2011, 06:21 AM   #30
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If I understand the basic notion of "re-imagining" correctly (both from the 2009 movie and Ronald D. Moore's BATTLESTAR GALACTICA remake), JJ Abrams set out to capture the essence of TOS without any attachments to the specifics of what TOS was about. So you see characters and situations that vaguely resemble the originals, as well as a "new" Starship Enterprise that vaguely (at least, from what it looks like to my eyes) resembles the TMP "refit" ship.

I would say that if JJ was going to the trouble of inventing that way-out bridge set (looks like a cosmetics counter in a high-end shopping mall; nod to the photoshopper who nailed it on this forum some time ago) then the rest of the ship should follow accordingly. The Nuprise should have tried using a (more) clean sheet of paper, breaking down the basic shapes and creating something much more different. (And I'm not talking about an imitation battlestar or star destroyer, either.)

So, what do you have? A saucer, nacelles and a secondary hull. There are indications that the Nuprise could be much larger than the TOSprise. The bridge looks very advanced, so should the rest of the ship follow suit? I say y-e-s. Why make nacelles that look like marital aids? Why borrow the illuminated dish from FIRST CONTACT? And why make the hull texture and shape of the saucer look like warmed-over TMPprise? Beats me. Sounds like JJ's crew took one step forward, two steps back.

I like some of the things that were done with the Kelvin. If it were me, I would've scaled up and extrapolated on the Nuprise evolving along the Kelvin's design concepts. (The Kelvin's exterior really impressed me, and I'm not even a fan of single-nacelle starships anymore.)

If the Nuprise must be large as a battlestar, fine. Start with the saucer. Give it some serious diameter, and at least 3 or 4 decks thick at the outer rim, possibly more, depending on how big you want to go. That outer rim should be housing hangar bays a la DS9, as well as cargo bays and labs and other facilities. Crew habitat would be in the saucer hub. The saucer might look a little like the early concepts developed for the McQuarieprise. (spelling?) I would envision a ship like this having a crew of at least a thousand, if not thousands, and being sized to match. The saucer would reflect that, of course, and would also be equipped to operate as a limited-capability starship in its own right. As long as we're re-inventing everything, maybe saucer modules would be multi-purpose space vessels in their own right, able to carry out various preset missions once jettisoned from the stardrive section; lifeboat, space station, temporary command base, cargo hauling platform, weapons platform, listening post, you name it.

Maybe the stardrive section would not be elaborate. maybe just a simple, spartan secondary hull and simpler nacelles attached by nondescript pylons. Maybe the saucer should look disproportionately large in comparison because that's where the bulk of the crew and facilities would be.

And to further distinguish JJ's TREK from TOS/TMP/ etc., maybe there wouldn't be a plethora of starship classes. Maybe there's just one "Star Ship Class", ever evolving in technology and size. The idea of simpler, interchangeable modules and the bulk of the facilities residing in the saucer would mean the nature of starships, how they would operate and how they would be maintained/repaired/replaced/refit would be quite different than what we saw in TOS, TMPs and TNG/DS9.

Maybe to further offset the re-thought JJprise from the 2009 JJprise or the previous Enterprises, the nacelles would be long, somewhat thin, simple tubes. There might not be any domes at the front or back. Maybe both ends would vaguely resemble the bows of jet engines. Maybe they glow faintly when at idle, but maybe the whole housing glows (and the length of the tubes glows right through its own hull) when fully revved for flight.

I hated the uniforms used in the 2009 movie. My feeling was that if you're going to re-invent, then by all means, re-invent. Bring back the turtlenecks of "The Cage", but maybe incorporate them into an ENT-style jumpsuit. And when it comes to the ship's external markings, be a bit more flamboyant like the "small corvette" thread found elsewhere in this forum.

One thing I would bring back from TOS is the proud, utilitarian naval block lettering used in the original Enterprise's hull nomenclature. Everything else used since looked embarrassingly cheesy by comparison.

I might also be interested to experiment with different hull colors and textures.
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