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Old February 18 2012, 01:58 AM   #1036
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Re: Does It Get Better???

I completely agree about Tom. I enjoyed some of his boyhood hijinks with Harry (Proton etc..) but none of that had anything to do with the character they set him up as. I was hoping they would get all slashy after Chute but that didn't happen either.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:00 AM   #1037
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I don't know, the more I think about it the more I think that Harry was the best choice for the role. Seeing Harry grown up and mature in the future made for some interesting development. How different of a person would Kes have been 15 years later? Actually, to answer my own question she probably would have been dead because of the short Ocampan life spans.
I don't think it would work with Kes.
You'd need somebody with ties to Starfleet to steal the Delta Flyer. She's need engineering knowledge o feel guilty about making the mistake that got them all killed
Without giving to much away,
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Old February 18 2012, 03:00 AM   #1038
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I was hoping they would have done more with Tom being a prodigy at being a pilot, but he never really did anything too "extreme" flight-wise. Sure, he did more things as a pilot than most of the other crew, but nothing truly spectacular as a result of his pilot skills. I'm talking Anakin Skywalker level flyboy status. He was just a regular dude who sat at the helm. Anybody could do that, and I would have preferred to look at Lt. Stadi or Ens. Jenkins.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:01 AM   #1039
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If they had cut Harry and then brought him back for Timeless everyone would have been.. omg Harry is great, why did they get rid of him?!
And that's bad?

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens, no one is going to be voting for him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Yesterdays Enterprise and Sela Yar were awesome, but I can't fathom how quickly a few more seasons of Tasha could have brought down the whole house of cards...

No one really "replaced" Crosby outright, like with how Polaski OUTRIGHT replaced Bev.

I wonder where Denise's salary got diverted to?

They just decided to reduce the cast, or did Dorn graduate into the majorsand his pay stubs swelled accordingly?

If Crosby stayed, Dorn would never have been made into a full cast member and intead leveled off as a colourful c-lister like O'Brien or Morn... There's a modicum of a chance that if she stayed on TNG, it would have been she who transitioned into DS9, and then she who married Dax.

(Imagine if the Season Four threat was Romulans led by Sela, and not Klingons led by Gowron. "Curzon told me once that in the long run, the only people who can really handle the Klingons are Klingons. Get me Starfleet Command." becomes "Curzon told me once that in the long run, the only people who can really handle women are their mothers. Get me Starfleet Command. )

Although, Selar should have stuck her head in for the last couple seaosns when DS9 was being all friendly to the Romulans for their alliance with the Federation against the Dominion was rattified.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:25 AM   #1040
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I too am new to the Voyager Series. I just got it, and I am up to Season 5 disk 6, already. It gets better some and worst. Jennifer Lein leaves the show, Jeri Ryan gets introduced and steals the show and seems like the future episodes as well. They even have episodes with a kid in there, I do not know who the hell thought of that. The kid was a waste of a good "Sci-Fi" hour. None of the more serious Treks, i.e. Original and TNG, would have never had such passive episode with kids being kids, unless there was some dark, suspense and threating reasoning behind it.

I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:26 AM   #1041
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I suppose you're right. It would still have to have been tweaked some, but you're right that they probably could have still made it work.
Putting Kes as the lead in Timless would have been interesting if the writers had the tact to contrast and compare with Before and After.
Y'all misunderstood me.

I meant, even if Harry Kim had been cut from the show, that didn't preclude them from bringing Garrett Wang back 2 seasons later to film Timeless. My post had nothing to do with Kes.

My "hint, hint" was in reference to Fury.
Ah, okay. I completely misunderstood. And I thought by "hint, hint" you meant something else entirely, which I will not go into here. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:27 AM   #1042
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Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening
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Old February 18 2012, 03:33 AM   #1043
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Yesterdays Enterprise and Sela Yar were awesome
I thought Yar was just as uninteresting in Yesterday's Enterprise as she was in Season One. Skin of Evil should have been her last appearance on the show, IMO.
And don't even get me started on Sela. I don't know who's idea it was to give Tasha a half-human and half-romulan daughter that looks EXACTLY like her mother. Did they seriously think that fans were going to buy it?
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Old February 18 2012, 03:36 AM   #1044
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Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening
And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:37 AM   #1045
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I completely agree with AdmiralScreed on the Yar boredom.

But I do think if the character had ended up on DS9 as in Guy's fantasy she might have actually become interesting. She would have been older which would have helped and pairing her with Dax would have been fresh.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:38 AM   #1046
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I liked it when that pig soldier stuck Wesley with a bayonette and then shook him above his head while he bled out.

IN the Collectible card game, they use a picture of that for a card called...

Wait a second.



Wesley get's the point.

The kid was murdered.

Bev must have had him on some serious medication to stop him acting out, after an event as traumatizing as dying only to discover that there is no god and...
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Old February 18 2012, 03:40 AM   #1047
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Guy, please don't tell me you're a Wesley hater. Uh uh, sorry. We don't serve your kind here.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:41 AM   #1048
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Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening
And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
I don't hate Wesley either, but it's not like the handful of Naomi episodes in VOY stand out. DS9 had Jake and Nog hijinks eps. The series with the least amount of children was Enterprise.

I like the Naomi interactions with 7. Naomi is a smart kid and she seems to appreciate 7's complete inability to treat her as a child.
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Old February 18 2012, 03:43 AM   #1049
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AdmiralScreed speaking of disagreements I am having a heart attack over your blasphemous sig line!!!!!!!
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Old February 18 2012, 03:47 AM   #1050
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I too am new to the Voyager Series. I just got it, and I am up to Season 5 disk 6, already. It gets better some and worst. Jennifer Lein leaves the show, Jeri Ryan gets introduced and steals the show and seems like the future episodes as well. They even have episodes with a kid in there, I do not know who the hell thought of that. The kid was a waste of a good "Sci-Fi" hour. None of the more serious Treks, i.e. Original and TNG, would have never had such passive episode with kids being kids, unless there was some dark, suspense and threating reasoning behind it.

I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.
I thought Naomi Wildman was a fine kid character who added a lot to the stories she was in. I thought "Once Upon a Time" was fantastic.
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