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Old February 14 2012, 08:08 PM   #961
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Re: Does It Get Better???

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How many episodes did TNG take to cover the affects of Worf having spinal replacement surgery?

How many eps did DS9 do about Nog loosing a leg?
Yeah, let's keep in mind the time when this was made. Back in the 90s, it was a big deal that Garibaldi took 3 episodes to recover from being shot in the back on Babylon 5.
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Old February 14 2012, 08:21 PM   #962
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In The Flesh: Oh God, one of the absolute worst episodes of Star Trek for me. Nothing about it makes sense, species 8472 suddenly aren't "alien" anymore (you know, like whole other dimension alien) and Boothby is there for no freaking reason and its all just so very stupid. Chakotay kisses a species 8472, 'nuff said.

Once Upon a Time: One of my favorite Voyager episodes. A good child actor, an understated concept full of dramatic potential, another great performance by Phillips and more insight into Neelix's psyche. The only problem was I hated how Janeway was acting. As far as I can see, Naomi is Neelix's Godchild so it is up to him to decide what to tell her about her mother, Janeway was just sticking her nose in to where it didn't belong.
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Old February 14 2012, 09:14 PM   #963
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In The Flesh: I loved getting to see San Francisco and Starfleet Headquarters again, even if it wasn't actually real. The main story was interesting, and it was very much in the spirit of Trek. Two enemies coming together, making peace, and emerging stronger than ever.
A fine offering.
7/10

Once Upon a Time: I know I'm going to get some flack for my score, but I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. The child actor for Naomi did a fine job, which is much more than I would say for most child actors on Trek. I liked the scenes on the holodeck quite a bit. As goofy and silly as they were, they did bring me back to when I was a kid. Good times......
Neelix also had a lot of nice and moving scenes. I must say that I've enjoyed his character much more since season 3 ended. He's a much more likable character.
6/10
I agree on both.

BTW, did you notice the actor that played the Species 8472 they brought on Voyager was Billy from "Gremlins"?
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Old February 14 2012, 09:17 PM   #964
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Much like TNG & TOS
You'll excuse me if I don't hold an action-adventure series that was produced in the late 1960s as the standard-bearer for character growth in a show produced in the late 1990s. Star Trek: The Next Generation is more complicated. At times we had plenty of consequences ("Family," the Borg arc, the Klingon arc) and at other times the characters would ignore great ordeals from the previous episode as if they had never happened. It was obviously transitioning to being a more modern kind of drama, but it wouldn't be until Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that the franchise got there. Star Trek: Voyager was a total backslide.

I don't see it as fair to blame Voyager for what has been the standard of story telling long before it. This is what Gene Roddenberry wanted Trek to be. This was noted when told Berman specifically that he didn't want the heroes of the show to have any lasting scars.
Roddenberry repeatedly told the producers of Star Trek II (and III, and IV, and V...) that he wanted the movie to be about Kirk and co. preventing the JFK assassination. You'll have to excuse me again if I don't care what he wanted, especially when it comes to Star Trek: Voyager, a series which was conceived and produced entirely after Roddenberry's death.
Whether you care or not doesn't change the facts of what is, sorry.
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Old February 14 2012, 09:19 PM   #965
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A show out of step with the times?
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Old February 14 2012, 09:22 PM   #966
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A show out of step with the times?
According to who?
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Old February 14 2012, 09:41 PM   #967
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Should I interpret this differently than that?

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The idea of flawed heroes is a modern one, Gene & Berman are old school.
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Old February 14 2012, 10:29 PM   #968
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Should I interpret this differently than that?

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The idea of flawed heroes is a modern one, Gene & Berman are old school.
I guess so.
Where I'm from, old school is respected and not something considered behind the times. It's why in modern times many try to hold onto the old school values and traditions? That aspect has never gone out of style. Wasn't that the real point behind modern Trek?
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Old February 14 2012, 10:43 PM   #969
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1. Boothby is the secret overlord of the Federation, which 8472 accidentally figured out, without figuring out that it was a secret.

2. The Kitchenrat wanted Naomi to call her daddy, but after work when Sam got home, Neelix had a glass of wine waiting, it was the little blonde Ensign, who actually did call him daddy. 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

3 Voyager is a carbon copy of TOS with elements of Giligans Island and lost in Space super imposed into it's bible. It's like after they made DS9, Berman found some super-glue to put "the mold" back together with.

4. Red Dwarf stopped the Assasination of one of America's early Kings "Jeff Kaye" and it was awesome.
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Old February 14 2012, 11:03 PM   #970
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I'm rather fond of that episode of Red Dwarf. It treats Roddenberry's story premise as seriously as it deserves to be treated (i.e. as a comedy) and provides a nice twist at the end (Kennedy being forced to assassinate himself).
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Old February 14 2012, 11:19 PM   #971
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Old February 15 2012, 08:00 AM   #972
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"It'll drive the conspiracy theorists nuts!"
"But they'll never figure it out"

Lets hope Red Dwarf X holds up to past years when it premieres later in the year.
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Old February 16 2012, 04:01 AM   #973
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Timeless: Words can't begin to describe how great of an episode this was. I loved every moment of it; the transitions between the past and present, seeing the dead crew of Voyager and the way they died, Geordi's guest appearance, the very ending when Kim reads his log.......I could go on, and on, and on....this episode also had a very cinematic feel; the camera angles, the lighting, direction, visual effects, and the large scope of the story all made me feel like I was watching a film.
Well done, well done!
My favorite episode of Voyager so far!
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Old February 16 2012, 04:11 AM   #974
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But it's a magic bullet.

Ticking all the boxes, it can't not but score TEN.

We should mark them lower for giving into our expectations and demands that we somehow don't get a timetravel episode to reverse an apocalypse every other week.

That was Berman's rules.

"I'm the only one allowed write about time travel and the Borg, the rest of you have to work for a living."
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Old February 16 2012, 04:54 AM   #975
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Timeless: Words can't begin to describe how great of an episode this was. I loved every moment of it; the transitions between the past and present, seeing the dead crew of Voyager and the way they died, Geordi's guest appearance, the very ending when Kim reads his log.......I could go on, and on, and on....this episode also had a very cinematic feel; the camera angles, the lighting, direction, visual effects, and the large scope of the story all made me feel like I was watching a film.
Well done, well done!
My favorite episode of Voyager so far!
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This is my favorite Voyager episode. It does everything for me.
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