Does It Get Better???

[CaptainMatt]

exodus wrote:

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That's why he's funny.
I find him a refreshing mix of Dennis Miller & Dennis Leary.

That is your opinion. Mine says otherwise. We will just have to try and live with both.

[Guy Gardener]

Imagine how I feel!?

I have to live with him.

[CaptainMatt]

Back to the topic at hand:


Voyager DOES get better as you go along. Season One is certainly NOT the best way to judge the series' worth as a whole.

[tighr]

Well, Screed is now officially into Season 4, so its safe to say that from here on out things get better. There are some very good episodes coming up, I'm personally looking forward to seeing his scores for them.

[Misco]

Catching up with the episodes you've watched so far AdmiralScreed...

Scorpian - I like it a lot, especially the second part. The conflict between Janeway and Chakotay is good to see. (If only there were more of it.) The introduction of Seven is great and despite the fact that I don't like that Kes got dumped by the show, Seven is a much better character. Or the writers cared more about her. Either way, I'm always happy to see Seven of Nine. In regards to the Borg argument that went on in the thread, Voyager does weaken the Borg a little overall but the more something is used the more people will think it sucks. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that. Myself, I don't think the Borg are weakened in Scorpian. The introduction of a more threatening species, or a worthy adversary to the Borg if you like, merely served to make them more realistic. Plus, I like Species 8472.

The Gift - I'm always sorry to see Kes go but happy they at least gave her a relatively dignified exit. It could have been much worse. The goodbye scene between Kes and Janeway was lovely. I also particularly like that Janeway and Tuvok are the last to be with her before she leaves the ship; both the closest to a mother/father she has on the ship. The scene between Kes and Neelix is good too, giving that relationship a little bit of badly needed closure after the quick cut off during Warlord. I also think it's interesting that Janeway lets a daughter figure go in this episode only for her to be replaced by the extremely troublesome Seven of Nine. The relationship with whom, though more rocky, will ultimately be far more rewarding.

Day of Honor - This is a really nice Tom/B'Elanna episode. One of their best together. I too liked the warp core ejection and I thought that the confession of love whilst floating in space with only a short time to live was very effective. They say Trek does romance badly, and it does for the most part, but this scene was one of the better romantic ones Trek has produced.

tighr, I always liked Season 4 best with Season 5 coming a close second but I never thought it was that much better. However, I've nearly finished my season 4 rewatch and boy, it's good! It's really good. I don't think I've ranked an episode below a three (out of five) yet.

[You_Will_Fail]

I'm not sure that says much, that you haven't rated an episode below a 3! Since 3 is a pretty awful score.

Edit - realized I misread, thought you meant you hadn't rated a single episode below 3/10! But you meant 3/5.

[RoJoHen]

^I think Tom and B'Elanna are one of the only romances that Trek actually does justice to. Nothing about them ever felt forced or awkward, and I mostly think that's because Roxann Dawson and Robert Duncan McNeill have great chemistry.

[RoJoHen]

You_Will_Fail wrote:

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I'm not sure that says much, that you haven't rated an episode below a 3! Since 3 is a pretty awful score.

He told us earlier in the thread that he has a fairly curved scale. Most of the good episodes only rank around a 6. He saves the higher numbers for the truly outstanding eps.

[You_Will_Fail]

Oops, Misco said 3/5 not 3/10.

I would rate 4 episodes in season four below 3/5.

And my top 10 episodes of seasons 1-3 would be

1. Before and After
2. Scorpion
3. Deadlock
4. Jetrel
5. Prime Factors
6. Unity
7. Faces
8. The Thaw
9. Distant Origin
10. Eye of the Needle

[The Dominion]

Season 4 gets good real fast. It's just a shame they didn't do more with 8472.

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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been a while since you've read the classic death of the Phoenix Exodus.

Jean had been neutered by Shi'are surgeons, where after she was nailed by an automated defence system while Lillandra was playing silly buggers with the X-Men on the Blue Area of the Moon. She walked into a death ray, sacrificing herself because she felt the darkness inside her rising but...

That's the "Dark Phoenix Saga", not the "Phoenix Saga".
The Phoenix Saga ends with her saving the universe by bringing the M'Kron Crystal into the sun.

[Guy Gardener]

exodus wrote:

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That's the "Dark Phoenix Saga", not the "Phoenix Saga".
The Phoenix Saga ends with her saving the universe by bringing the M'Kron Crystal into the sun.

It's been 25 years since I read those comics.

I loved it when Wolverine got punched into orbit by the half-pint guardian of the M'Kraan crystal,and he was rescued by the Starjammer.

[AdmiralScreed]

Watched a couple more episodes last night.

Nemesis: This episode ripped off Predator with the commandos and the aliens that looked just like the Predators. I personally didn't care for all of the alien slang, and for the most part I didn't like the guest actors either, but Robert Beltran's excellent performance (as usual) and the great twist at the end made this at least a worthwhile watch.
4/10

Gotta go to class. I'll be back with another review later!

[Misco]

You_Will_Fail wrote:

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Edit - realized I misread, thought you meant you hadn't rated a single episode below 3/10! But you meant 3/5.

Ha, yeah sorry for the confusion. I just prefer rating things on a scale of 5. I tend to get bogged down in the 5/6/7s if I use the 10 scale. Although with the OP ranking out of 10 I can see why you would make the mistake!

RoJoHen wrote:

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^I think Tom and B'Elanna are one of the only romances that Trek actually does justice to. Nothing about them ever felt forced or awkward, and I mostly think that's because Roxann Dawson and Robert Duncan McNeill have great chemistry.

I would agree with that. I've never really gone so far as to 'ship them but they were generally well written as a couple with a minimum of forced drama;

The way their relationship progressed through marriage to a baby all felt pretty organic.

Off topic, sort of, but my favourite Trek couple are Kira/Odo, however, I probably have more issues with the way their relationship was portrayed than with Tom/B'Elanna's.

The Dominion wrote:

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Season 4 gets good real fast. It's just a shame they didn't do more with 8472.

I feel that too. They had a really good concept there and I loved the idea of fluidic space. Also if 8472 had become a bigger part of the series then maybe there would have been less Borg stuff for people to bitch about. I suppose they were expensive to put on screen though?

Although I guess the way they were portrayed in In the Flesh could have been utilised somehow, if that were a problem.

As for Nemesis, I watched this for only the second time the other week and it's gone from being one of my most hated Trek episodes of all time to a ranking of 'average'. Which is a vast improvement! I still think the language thing is irritating and pointless but the overall story was alright and I actually found Chakotay relatively bearable in it. The last line about wishing it was as easy to stop hating as it is to start could definitely have been better put though. It came across far more preachy/twee than it needed to be.

[You_Will_Fail]

AdmiralScreed wrote:

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Watched a couple more episodes last night.

Nemesis: This episode ripped off Predator with the commandos and the aliens that looked just like the Predators.

They ripped off the design of the Predator alien. That's where the similarities end. The plot of "Nemesis" isn't really that similar at all.