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Old December 29 2011, 03:43 AM   #181
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Re: Does It Get Better???

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It's pretty damning that other shows can get away with similar arcs without anyone batting an eyelash:

1) In NuBSG no one cares that the Cylons kept showing up even though Galactica's method of FTL put even more distance between them and the Cylons than VOY's Warp Drive did for them and the Kazon.

2) In Farscape no one cares the Peacekeepers kept showing up.

But in VOY, if ANY aliens species showed up more than once of twice there was Hell to pay.
This is another one of those ANWAR misses a key point of the plot comments

On both Farscape and BSG the Cylons and the Peacekeepers were FOLLOWING the protagonists. The Cylons were actively hunting down the Galactica...that was you know, THE POINT. Similarly, the whole point of Farscape was that the crew of Moya were WANTED.

At no point on Voyager was it ever stated that the Kazon were following the ship. Had the done so and given a valid reason for that no one would complain.
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Old December 29 2011, 04:08 AM   #182
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At no point on Voyager was it ever stated that the Kazon were following the ship. Had the done so and given a valid reason for that no one would complain.

Plus, the Kazon were fairly nomadic, stealing technology from other races in order to survive, without a central infrastructure. It's not a stretch to say that they'd be spread out across a vast area of space.
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Old December 29 2011, 04:08 AM   #183
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Yep, exactly.
I remember her saying she wanted to take Voyager to get home faster and it was the best place to raise her baby? So isn't that implying they were following Voyager for a reason?
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Old December 29 2011, 04:20 AM   #184
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Voyager had to go around all the occupied space controlled by bastards with stern looking customs and excises, looking for neutral, open and shitty unclaimed space where they let their freak flag fly rocking out with their cock out... So no wonder she was always sniffing kazon but.
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Old December 29 2011, 04:44 AM   #185
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Re: Does It Get Better???

You guys are throwing out spoilers again...
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Old December 29 2011, 04:45 AM   #186
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You guys are throwing out spoilers again...
Fixed my post! I forgot where I was.
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Old December 29 2011, 05:17 AM   #187
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Going back to Tuvix, I really liked the way the writers presented the situation. They didn't make one side of the argument look more "right" than the other. On one hand we had Janeway and the crew, who we were supposed to like and care about, executing Tuvix in order to save the lives of their friends. And, on the other hand we had Tuvix, an innocent lifeform who did not deserve to die, and who I felt genuinely sorry for when he did. They really left it up to the viewers to decide for themselves who they supported, rather than being extremely preachy like TNG very often was.
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Old December 29 2011, 05:57 AM   #188
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Regarding the Kazon and their [unspecified length greater than S02E24 but less than S07E26] story arc, I really feel that if Voyager is "rebooted" at some point in the future that the writer's will learn their lesson and fix the glitch. There is no way the Kazon should have been able to control that much space, and even less of a way for all the Mages to get together in Alliances! It would have taken some of those Mages years to get to the conference.

NuBSG ended up really good because they learned their lessons from the original BSG.

Oh, and for the record, I hope nobody reboots Voyager.

And, for the OP, it gets better, hang on. I'll keep this spoiler-free, so enjoy the ride!
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Old December 29 2011, 06:44 AM   #189
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Tighr, you just gave out a spoiler regarding how long the Kazon arc is!

And I'm really enjoying this thread AdmiralScreed, thanks for keeping us updated!
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Old December 29 2011, 06:59 AM   #190
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Yeah, as much as I admittedly find some of the ongoing debate regarding Tuvix tedious, it certainly demonstrates how good an episode it was.
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Old December 29 2011, 07:51 AM   #191
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Tighr, you just gave out a spoiler regarding how long the Kazon arc is!
Ooh, yeah. I guess that is kinda spoilerish. Updated my original post.

OP: The Kazon Story arc ends sometime after the events of Tuvix but sometime before the end of the series.
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Old December 29 2011, 07:52 AM   #192
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The Kazon arc will never end...as long as we remember it.
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Old December 29 2011, 10:03 AM   #193
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Wow that's the worst motivation for a serial killer ever.

Destroying the last stored memories of the Kazon from Human memory.

Of course that would only be possible after detonating several large nuclear weapons across the globe to destroy all analogue and digital evidence of the Kazon.

Then there's the book burning of course.

but after you've inverted the magnetoshepre, made a bonfire of all the encyclopaedia and fanzines, then, only then you can hunt down the trekkies in the cursed wasteland and save the future of humanity from knowing what a Kazon is.

Who says that it's bad thing to be driven by faith towards a deeper calling?
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Old December 29 2011, 11:16 AM   #194
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You do crack me up!
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Old December 29 2011, 02:51 PM   #195
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And I'm really enjoying this thread AdmiralScreed, thanks for keeping us updated!
Thank you and everyone else for coming to this thread and joining in the discussion. It's a lot of fun to hear other people's ideas and opinions.

Also, it'll be a couple of nights until I get back to watching Voyager because I got a few blu ray movies for Christmas that I need to watch.
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