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View Poll Results: Rate Rise Like Lions.
Outstanding 58 63.74%
Above Average 29 31.87%
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Old December 13 2011, 01:34 AM   #91
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

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I don't think there was ever any question whether the SCENE was in the mirror universe, just what the origin of the Taran'atar in the scene was. The question was whether he was indigenous to the mirror universe, or the Taran'atar from our universe.
He was pretty clearly the Mirror version, since he was still a loyal servant of the Vorta. And when Eris reflected on his background, she seemed aware of his history and considered it normal aside from his intellect and lack of White dependency.

And there were a ton of characters who showed up in cameos and they were all Mirror versions, not the originals who somehow inexplicably crossed over. So I don't see why the question would be raised in this particular case.
Oh, don't worry, I thought so too, I was just clarifying the original question.
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Old December 13 2011, 11:14 AM   #92
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Just hit Part II and I'm loving it so far.

Tell me we're getting another one of these in the next 12 months...
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Old December 14 2011, 05:56 AM   #93
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Finished it a week ago and enjoyed every page of it. David's MU books have far surpassed the Shatnerverse MU trilogy.
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Old December 14 2011, 10:50 AM   #94
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Old December 14 2011, 11:55 PM   #95
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Finished it a week ago and enjoyed every page of it. David's MU books have far surpassed the Shatnerverse MU trilogy.

You mean the ones that had sentences like, "When the galaxy walked the line of fate and prepared to take the plunge into the abyss, one man stepped forward to make a difference and have fun doing it:
James. Tiberius. Kirk."

Yes, Mack did a much better job.
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Old December 15 2011, 12:59 AM   #96
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Old December 15 2011, 02:03 AM   #97
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Just hit Part II and I'm loving it so far.

Tell me we're getting another one of these in the next 12 months...
Finished Rise Like Lions well into the early hours this morning. (Couldn't put it down last night)

I thought it was a great follow-up to the previous MU stories and ripe with potential for further exploration. Although I'd like to see more of how Memory Omega developed/acquired most of their tech. (Especially how exactly they perfected Genesis Tech and potentially how that relates to the Mirror Shedai and their equivalent of the Taurus Meta-Genome.

Hope this one sells well enough to garner further work in the mirror universe.
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Old December 15 2011, 06:06 AM   #98
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Finished it a week ago and enjoyed every page of it. David's MU books have far surpassed the Shatnerverse MU trilogy.

You mean the ones that had sentences like, "When the galaxy walked the line of fate and prepared to take the plunge into the abyss, one man stepped forward to make a difference and have fun doing it:
James. Tiberius. Kirk."

Yes, Mack did a much better job.
Is that really a line from one of the Shatnerverse books?
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Old December 15 2011, 01:24 PM   #99
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Finished it a week ago and enjoyed every page of it. David's MU books have far surpassed the Shatnerverse MU trilogy.

You mean the ones that had sentences like, "When the galaxy walked the line of fate and prepared to take the plunge into the abyss, one man stepped forward to make a difference and have fun doing it:
James. Tiberius. Kirk."

Yes, Mack did a much better job.
Is that really a line from one of the Shatnerverse books?
Heres a direct quote

A thousand trailing sparks, stars fading.
Kirk couldn’t speak. Couldn’t stand. Stumbled back, knees buckling.
Spock caught him.
Kirk looked up at his friend, searching for one last chance, one last victory against the death that stalked him.
But he knew the truth when he saw tears in Vulcan eyes.
James T. Kirk had saved a universe.
But he had not been able to save his wife.
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Old December 15 2011, 03:50 PM   #100
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

I liked the first three Shat books very much, especially "The Return". His mirror stories started well but quickly became self-glorifying drivel. When I finished with Preserver, which made NO sense other than to mirror Shat's wife's death and his emotion, I was finished with Shatner fiction.


Something I found interesting about Lions is how well Mack wrote Neelix and Kes. I remember him saying he dislikes Neelix most out of the main Trek characters yet he made Neelix very courageous and gave him an honorable death.
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Old December 15 2011, 04:46 PM   #101
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I liked the first three Shat books very much, especially "The Return". His mirror stories started well but quickly became self-glorifying drivel. When I finished with Preserver, which made NO sense other than to mirror Shat's wife's death and his emotion, I was finished with Shatner fiction.


Something I found interesting about Lions is how well Mack wrote Neelix and Kes. I remember him saying he dislikes Neelix most out of the main Trek characters yet he made Neelix very courageous and gave him an honorable death.
Mirrors my opinion of the ShatVerse quite well. The first trilogy (Ashes of Eden, Return, Avenger) were pretty damn epic. Spectre was also awesome, Dark Victory was kinda meh, and Preserver was okay up until the end. (This last-minute change-at-heart thing is getting old, speaking about Mirror Kirk/Emperor Tiberius).
And Neelix was surprisingly well-written in Rise Like Lions. The destruction of Ferenginar was also a surprise.
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Old December 15 2011, 04:55 PM   #102
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I'm sure some readers will end up saying all the death in Lions makes it another example of genocide porn. The grander the warfare and more destructive the weapons, the higher the death toll. Imagine how unimaginable 20th century mass deaths would be to peoples several hundred years ago.
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Old December 15 2011, 04:59 PM   #103
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

According to the Shat verse, didn't the universes diverge at First Contact? I remember something about a Lake Riker on the moon or something named for Riker. I remember watching the ENT Mirror opening and thinking "So much for the Shat universe."
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Old December 15 2011, 05:00 PM   #104
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I'm sure some readers will end up saying all the death in Lions makes it another example of genocide porn. The grander the warfare and more destructive the weapons, the higher the death toll. Imagine how unimaginable 20th century mass deaths would be to peoples several hundred years ago.
The Mirror Universe is a brutal place, and Mack writes it quite well I think.
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Old December 15 2011, 05:02 PM   #105
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According to the Shat verse, didn't the universes diverge at First Contact?
Yep. In the Shat-MU, Zefram Cochrane warned people about the Borg threat (which he learned from Picard and co.) and encouraged them to militarize themselves against it.
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