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View Poll Results: Rate Rise Like Lions.
Outstanding 55 62.50%
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Old December 9 2011, 08:08 PM   #76
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

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the only MU book i own is "Sorrows of Empire" which i have yet to even read. Can i read that one, then read "Rise Like Lions" without being lost? Where I don't need to read those other MU book collections or the DS9 re-launch books that delt with the MU?
David Mack does a nice job of collating and coordinating all the various MU books and storylines into one novel in "Rise like Lions". He even references earlier stories so that you can keep track of who the various characters are and what they have been involved in previously. I personally read "Sorrows of Empire" than immediately read "Rise Like Lions". I think they complement each other nicely.
Having said that, I don't know why you'd want to read Rise Like Lions before The Sorrows of Empire.
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Old December 10 2011, 01:24 AM   #77
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Can I ask the author a question as to why:

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Old December 10 2011, 02:47 AM   #78
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^ Sigh.


That should put this question to rest.
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Old December 10 2011, 05:23 AM   #79
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the only MU book i own is "Sorrows of Empire" which i have yet to even read. Can i read that one, then read "Rise Like Lions" without being lost? Where I don't need to read those other MU book collections or the DS9 re-launch books that delt with the MU?
David Mack does a nice job of collating and coordinating all the various MU books and storylines into one novel in "Rise like Lions". He even references earlier stories so that you can keep track of who the various characters are and what they have been involved in previously. I personally read "Sorrows of Empire" than immediately read "Rise Like Lions". I think they complement each other nicely.
Having said that, I don't know why you'd want to read Rise Like Lions before The Sorrows of Empire.
confused? Neither me nor the other poster stated that we wanted to read "Rise like lions" BEFORE "Sorrows of Empire".
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Old December 10 2011, 05:31 AM   #80
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

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the only MU book i own is "Sorrows of Empire" which i have yet to even read. Can i read that one, then read "Rise Like Lions" without being lost? Where I don't need to read those other MU book collections or the DS9 re-launch books that delt with the MU?
David Mack does a nice job of collating and coordinating all the various MU books and storylines into one novel in "Rise like Lions". He even references earlier stories so that you can keep track of who the various characters are and what they have been involved in previously. I personally read "Sorrows of Empire" than immediately read "Rise Like Lions". I think they complement each other nicely.
If you are planning on reading the other MU and DS9R books, I'd say read them between SoE and RLL, since RLL builds of off pretty much all of them. But if all you want to read is SoE and RLL, you could do that,the book does recap the earlier stories very well.
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Old December 10 2011, 06:10 AM   #81
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Well I finished it today, it was a great book.
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Old December 11 2011, 09:50 PM   #82
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Well I finished it today, it was a great book.
Got a bit fannish wank when Picard showed up on the Enterprise-E essentially and in a black and grey uniform calling his XO Number One.

David? Wormhole jaunt tech? Memory Omega had a century to name this stuff and they DIDN'T?
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Old December 11 2011, 09:59 PM   #83
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^

1) It's not the Enterprise-E. It's a different ship named Enterprise.

2) Part of the idea of the MU stories is to show parallels to the prime universe. Picard assigning the nickname to his new XO is part of that tradition.

3) They did name the technology: they call them "jaunt drives" and "jaunt ships".
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Old December 11 2011, 10:26 PM   #84
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I finished it, but the ending seemed unsatifying. I will reevaluate after I have reread it.
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Old December 12 2011, 04:32 AM   #85
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Lots that can be mentioned about the book, but one huge question mark in my mind after the epilogue...

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Old December 12 2011, 04:51 AM   #86
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^ Mirror would be my guess. The last time we saw the RU version of that character was at the end of The Soul Key when he was in fact in the RU, and was answering a distress call from a civilian ship.
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Old December 12 2011, 11:30 PM   #87
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What we saw at the end is surely in the Mirror Universe, since


There's also the fact that the Historian's Note at the beginning says unambiguously that all events in the novel take place in the MU.


On the question of Mirror Jadzia being named Dax... was she really? We never actually see her call herself Dax. The only people who call her that are Sisko, Jennifer, and Jake, once each. The only person who directly addresses her by that name is Sisko in "Through the Looking Glass" -- and Jadzia looks pretty damn bewildered after he does so, which could've been more than just puzzlement at his actions. Maybe Jennifer called her that because Sisko did, and Jake would've called her that because he was more familiar with his own Jadzia. So we don't have absolutely certain proof that Mirror Jadzia called herself Dax. Sure, it's a stretch, but a lot of continuity fixes are.
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Old December 13 2011, 01:00 AM   #88
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

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What we saw at the end is surely in the Mirror Universe, since


There's also the fact that the Historian's Note at the beginning says unambiguously that all events in the novel take place in the MU.
I don't think there was ever any question whether the SCENE was in the mirror universe, just what the origin of the Taran'atar in the scene was. The question was whether he was indigenous to the mirror universe, or the Taran'atar from our universe.
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Old December 13 2011, 01:26 AM   #89
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I don't think there was ever any question whether the SCENE was in the mirror universe, just what the origin of the Taran'atar in the scene was. The question was whether he was indigenous to the mirror universe, or the Taran'atar from our universe.
He was pretty clearly the Mirror version, since he was still a loyal servant of the Vorta. And when Eris reflected on his background, she seemed aware of his history and considered it normal aside from his intellect and lack of White dependency.

And there were a ton of characters who showed up in cameos and they were all Mirror versions, not the originals who somehow inexplicably crossed over. So I don't see why the question would be raised in this particular case.
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Old December 13 2011, 01:27 AM   #90
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^ My intention was that he is the Mirror Universe's Taran'atar. Given the implication in the text that he has had a long history of service with Eris, it seems obvious to me that he is the MU version — especially since, after the events of Warpath, Fearful Symmetry, and The Soul Key, I doubt "our" Taran'atar would willingly serve another Dominion, in any universe.
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