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Old October 25 2011, 10:36 AM   #1
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The 37's

Watching a bit of this this morning on the telly while downing my morning coffee before dragging meself to the office.

At one point, when they discussed waking up the folk in the freezers Chuckles pipes up with "Suggest only human crew a present when we wake 'em up"

Janeway agrees..

then takes Kes along..

whut?
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Old October 25 2011, 10:50 AM   #2
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Kes covers her ears with her hair, thus appearing human and not triggering heart-attacks in the people being unfrozen when they see an alien.

Do you really need this explained?
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Old October 25 2011, 10:54 AM   #3
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Of course, by the same logic it would have been nice to have Tuvok there (in a silly wool cap or whatever), as the situation could well call for the abilities of a trained security officer with superhuman strength...

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Old October 25 2011, 10:56 AM   #4
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Of course I realise what they've actually done. But "ONLY HUMANS!" doesn't mean "ONLY HUMANS (and aliens in disguise, sssh!!)
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Old October 25 2011, 11:12 AM   #5
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Of course, by the same logic it would have been nice to have Tuvok there (in a silly wool cap or whatever), as the situation could well call for the abilities of a trained security officer with superhuman strength...

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Yes, and if he misplaced the cap they could've explained the ears away as an unfortunate accident in a mechanical rice picker.
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Old October 25 2011, 11:17 AM   #6
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Of course, by the same logic it would have been nice to have Tuvok there (in a silly wool cap or whatever), as the situation could well call for the abilities of a trained security officer with superhuman strength...

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There are plenty of human security officers to chose from. Plus the away-team had phasers.

I'd hazard a guess that a phaser could take down an unfrozen person from the 1930s pretty easily, without having to resort to Vulcan superhuman strength.

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Old October 25 2011, 12:09 PM   #7
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Of course I realise what they've actually done. But "ONLY HUMANS!" doesn't mean "ONLY HUMANS (and aliens in disguise, sssh!!)
You'd have to wonder if they thought for saying "That" that Chakoaty was a speciesist and it called for a black mark in his permanent record?
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Old October 25 2011, 12:47 PM   #8
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Re: The 37's

Of all the things wrong with this episode, that line is the last thing that bothers me.

In fact, the existence of what I call humans with funny ears in the Delta quadrant is much more disturbing, and the scene where Janeway shows the ears of Kes to the 37s is so wrong. Why would you put a scene which only highlights the ridiculousness of the notion – it's so ridiculous that even the characters didn't buy it, and you're expecting the viewers to buy it?

The reason Spock's ears were fine in “The City on the Edge of Forever” was because it was funny. This wasn't. The reason Spock's ears were fine in “Tomorrow is Yesterday” and “The Voyage Home” is that the hint was subtle and open for interpretation. This was neither, and being delivered by the Janeway in lecturing mood made it even worse, because I can imagine Shatner delivering the same lines and making me crack a smile. A completely pointless lines which only served to exacerbate a flaw, and to create an awkward situation (for the show, the viewers and perhaps Janeway) which served no real purpose.

The 37s is one of the many episodes in my list of episodes that could have been great because they took the liberty to create an impossible and thrilling situation, but in the end completely missed the opportunity to take advantage of it and turned out to be a mess. I watched it quite a few times because I love exactly this kind of unanticipated set-ups, but unfortunately it didn't go anywhere.

And, frankly, I agree that I would take the “only humans” line off the episode if I were to make a list of the things that need to be fixed in it. There's simply no need to draw any attention to this. Either make it subtle or make it comical.

tl;dr - I love first contacts, time travel, alien abductions, and Earth-shattering discoveries. Why do most such episodes suck?
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Old October 25 2011, 01:32 PM   #9
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Obviously if one finds himself working with an earlier or less advanced culture, psychology should be used. It might be less a tool than it was in TOS because all questions are answered but Capt. Janeway resorts to this anyway and it is one of the reasons she is an important character.
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Old October 25 2011, 04:18 PM   #10
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It was an ok episode, I don't know why people hate it. What about that one where Chakotay finds his Alien Indian relatives in the Delta Quadrant?
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Old October 25 2011, 04:32 PM   #11
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Re: The 37's

This is where the show lost me, specifically the end. I'm supposed to believe that not even one of the Maquis members of Voyager - many of whom aren't ex-Starfleet is going to continue with the Voyager crew on what may be an endless journey rather than stay and help an isolated, thriving human colony that may be facing a returning hostile alien race? Really? I mean wouldn't the same spirit that made the Maquis leave the Federation cause them to be inspired to stay and help these people?

Utter bollocks.

Nevertheless I will be buying the Voyager DVDs and watching the entire series as part of my planned Trek marathon in what now looks to be 2012.
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Old October 25 2011, 04:34 PM   #12
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You expected an ending that challenged the status quo on Voyager?
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Old October 25 2011, 04:55 PM   #13
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You expected an ending that challenged the status quo on Voyager?
Agree, but I could not believe that such an early aviation explorer as Amelia Earhart would not have wanted to return to Earth to see what has changed and furthermore explore herself as a starship crew member.

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Old October 25 2011, 05:11 PM   #14
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Yes, actually. Given the challenging situation of the crew I expected a more challenging show after watching DS9. I know, I'm naive...
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Old October 25 2011, 05:53 PM   #15
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You expected an ending that challenged the status quo on Voyager?
Yes, actually. Given the challenging situation of the crew I expected a more challenging show after watching DS9. I know, I'm naive...
Yeah, I was there once too.
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